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Offline Telahnay's g'son

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« on: April 15, 2006, 06:42:56 AM »
This short represents an accounting of our initial outing on B.M.'s place when we first began to actively research as to what type of critter(s) were inhabiting the area...



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Summer, 2002


It was our initial “outing” on BM’s place and the following is a recollection of that evening’s events.  What piqued our interest was an (alleged) encounter BM and his neighbor recently had in this area where they were growled at while several (~4” diameter) saplings were being violently shaken.  D.G. & W.W. had a similar experience ~8 months earlier approximately ½ mile from BM’s location.

W.W., J.W. and I were the first to arrive at the “hidden bean field” located in BM’s 80 acres of bottomland.  It was just before sunset so we unloaded our equipment (video, sound and weapons) and began to get it set up along with making a campfire.  BM had earlier located a “foot print” along the creek bank and attempted to make a plaster casting.  Unfortunately, the cast was destroyed as he attempted to remove it from the ground.  He had also hung a large carp (caught from the creek) from a low hanging tree limb beside the creek as bait.

The carp had been removed from the hook it was earlier (2 days) hung on with no obvious signs of it having been eaten on the spot or other disturbance on the surrounding ground which would’ve indicated something had drug the fish out, etc.  

As darkness approached there began a series of vocalizations first from west of our location and then back to the east with each source estimated to be 500-700 yards away.  The best way to describe these sounds is a howl that trailed off in a moaning sound.  I wouldn’t say it was canine nor owlish in nature but akin to something you’d hear in the primate section at a zoo.  Also, later that evening we heard the peacock/wood duck/donkey scream coming from down in the creek.  That was our first instance of hearing this sound but have since heard it on at least four occasions since that evening.

It was ~18:00 when D.G. & B.M. arrived to the site with B.M. bringing his new Gen III NV binoculars which promptly went on the fritz.  They were later returned for a full replacement w/o any questions from Cabela’s.  W.W. had a camcorder w/IR capability and the rest of us had regular incandescent type lights, as we were still green as to what equipment was necessary for this type of endeavor.  Also, as D.G. & B.M. were driving in from the blacktop the vocalizations again cranked up as they often did (on subsequent outings) seemingly to announce our arrival.

We hung out for an hour or so with little activity noticed and B.M. decided to call it a night and D.G. drove him back up to his house on the hill.  Upon D.G.’s returning back to the field vocalizations again were heard and this time were increased in intensity and location, as they appeared to be much closer than before. Shortly thereafter W.W. began picking up sounds WNW of us in the creek bed area on his parabolic dish.  At that point, J.W. and I proceeded along the north side of the field in a westerly path to the point where field and creek met and the creek turned back east to parallel the north side of the field.  D.G. & W.W. were on the NE corner of the field~40 yards from where the creek again turned south and ran parallel to the field.  The field is actually traced on a parallel to the west, north and east sides by the creek.  They had the dish and camcorder in operation and were scanning the creek area from that position.

When J.W. and I reached the NW corner of the field I switched on a 1000K candlepower spotlight and began sweeping the creek bed area situated ~35-40 yards north of our spot as we had been hearing movement therein.  Within seconds, D.G. picked up the sound of footsteps coming up the creek splashing through the intermittent pools of water.  Then, W.W. caught the image of a large object crossing his viewfinder on the camcorder.  The "critter" stopped when it apparently knew W.W. & D.G. were observing it and could be heard (on the dish) breathing heavily and pacing back and forth over a very short distance.  To this day we cannot positively ID what it is/was except to say it was ~7-8’ in height.  The object then sprinted up the north creek bank and could be heard crashing through the timber in a NNE direction.

Afterwards, things were very quiet with no further vocalizations or other signs of activity noticed as even the coyotes and owls went to bed.  At ~1:00 we decided to pack things up and head home when the “attack” happened!

We had just stowed the last of our gear (including weapons) in the bed of my truck and just as I locked the tonneau cover a loud disturbance was heard just off to our left coming straight up from the creek headed directly at us!  We must of looked like Moe, Larry & Curly (W.W.) scrambling and jumping around hollering “where’s the light, he!!, where’s the gun”, etc. when D.G. calmly walked over and shined his coon hunter’s head light on momma and baby armadillo who probably just wanted to join in on our party.

It was a fitting conclusion to our initial outing and stories to follow will include details on events such as D.G. and my encounter with six (the family group) of these critters as well as J.W. and Brian’s FTF encounter plus my FTF while on a duck hunt a few miles north of this place and a few other shorts as well.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2006, 09:37:29 AM »
Yep, and you and D.G. were so coy about it all when we had that little conversation in the woods about B.M.'s big hairy friends.

Look up naive in the dictionary some time....see if there's a picture of me there.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2006, 10:29:00 AM »
Sounds like a good time! :cb1:
I wonder where these creatures are holding up at...wheres their nest?
Do they burrow in the ground like a ground hog?
You would think that they would have someplace they hunkered down:?:

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2006, 01:01:46 PM »
Telahnay's g'son,

This is meant as constructive criticism, it is not heckling.

On second thought, it's not worth it.  If you'd rather tell bigfoot stories in the vein of ghost stories around the campfire, rather than factual encounters to be intelligently discussed, then so be it.  

In the meantime I'll enjoy the rest of the forum topics, and hopefully someday there will be a glimmer of hope in here.

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2006, 01:17:35 PM »
I think that the style of posting John is using is related to the fact that's the way we've always done it here. On the forums it's always been like sitting around the campfire telling the story to friends. We have no form to complete like at the older bigfoot sites. We have no mechanism in place to even do that.

I'd like to host a real honest to goodness Bigfoot site complete with that kinda report form and some folks who would like to go out and investigate reported sightings. But I'm NOT gonna be the one to run it. I'll provide the space and cover the cost of that space. I offered to host a small site that's just getting started that isn't so far along they'd really lose much in moving but the owner hasn't responded to my overtures so I've dropped it.

Matt will likely be setting up such a site for us in the near future but unless someone volunteers to run it then it will go nowhere. We plan to model it after the original one in the reporting format but not in the tours and such to make money. We want it to be a place for folks to report into a database and if the volunteers are there some follow ups either via phone or in person or both.

I want to stay clear of it other than just reading and occasionally posting maybe. I want someone else to be running it with me just giving them the free space to do so.


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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2006, 01:24:50 PM »
Quote from: Wisill
Telahnay's g'son,

This is meant as constructive criticism, it is not heckling.

On second thought, it's not worth it.  If you'd rather tell bigfoot stories in the vein of ghost stories around the campfire, rather than factual encounters to be intelligently discussed, then so be it.  

In the meantime I'll enjoy the rest of the forum topics, and hopefully someday there will be a glimmer of hope in here.


Personally, I don't get it??  What's the big problem here?  I for one enjoyed hearing rather reading this report.

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2006, 02:19:28 PM »
Wisill,

My attempt was to be informative (as to what actually happened) and at the same time insert a little humor although even that was accurate as well.

I'm sorry you were disappointed in the style and/or content.  Truth be told, there "ain't" no experts out there in this field.  Yes, there are some websites that posture themselves in a quasi-scientific M.O. yet even they walk a thin line between stuffed shirts and closet flamers heaven.  Unless the individual was actually "there" it's a daunting task to try and dissect the account from a keyboard.

The stories I intend to convey later on are recollections of other experience/encounters we've had over the last ~4 years.  The narrative format is the best way I know to accomplish this idea.

D.G. said it best in that all the photo's, castings or audio recordings really amount to just short of a hill of beans until a carcass is discovered/recovered for examination using scientific based forensic methods by mainstream academia IMHO the best way is to simply be out there looking and observing for said.  It's awful hard to catch a fish w/o a line in the water and it's the same deal for BF related endeavours.

BTW, if you look real hard at my stories I'd betcha there's a few tidbits of good intel among them.  :wink:
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2006, 02:22:12 PM »
Quote from: Teufelwald
Sounds like a good time! :cb1:
I wonder where these creatures are holding up at...wheres their nest?
Do they burrow in the ground like a ground hog?
You would think that they would have someplace they hunkered down:?:


As I don't believe in the parallel universe notion with regards to BF the best explanation (IMHO) is a subterreanean environment whereby something could survive relatively unnoticed for extended periods of time.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2006, 03:16:43 PM »
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Quote from: Teufelwald
Sounds like a good time! :cb1:
I wonder where these creatures are holding up at...wheres their nest?
Do they burrow in the ground like a ground hog?
You would think that they would have someplace they hunkered down:?:


As I don't believe in the parallel universe notion with regards to BF the best explanation (IMHO) is a subterreanean environment whereby something could survive relatively unnoticed for extended periods of time.


Are there any caves in the area?
Yeah...I cannot accept the more far-fetched paranormal BF theories....although I cannot explain some things...I experienced in my 2nd encounter...just some things I do not understand?
Your way of relating your experiences....is just fine :agree:
I relate more to You and DG.....than I do to other researchers....You guys talk more like hunters...and I relate to that....If I had to put myself in a catagory....I would call myself a BF hunter....not a researcher......if I got the chance...I would bust one....then leave it to the egg heads to figger out what it is!

Keep em comin...Im a fan! :toast:

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2006, 07:02:30 PM »
I was wondering about where these things could hold up as well.  I guess if there were caves in the area that would be a good spot.  

  I don't know how O.K. woods are as I have never been there.  But up here our woods are so thick, (unless your on a ridge line) you couldn't see 20 yds at times.  I have watched bull moose walk into the brush 25 yds in front of me and lost sight of them within seconds.  If your woods is like ours, you could be walking right by them and not know it.  Often times our deer will get into the thick stuff and just walk around us about  50 yds away.  Once we pass they move right back in behind us, were they were originally.  They don't get shook or run they just quietly walk around us and lay back down.

   I guess what I am saying is they wouldn't need a cave if your woods is big enough and thick enough.  :?

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2006, 07:08:23 PM »
In eastern Oklahoma we have both...lots of caves and foliage that's almost subtropical in density.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2006, 05:20:38 AM »
A couple of comments have been raised about the various types of NV equipment available.  Currently, there are Gen I, II, III and even IV level(s) of equipment on the market.  Gen III (2002) appears to offer the better levels of clarity and depth over low(er) grades plus it can be used in ~90% of applications w/o having to turn on the IR function which IMHO is a clear signal to most "critters" you're there and watching them.

Cabela's used to carry ~6 brands of NV equipment but has greatly reduced the line(s) probably because of QC issues (vs. their unconditional return policy) as much of the stuff was old Russian military surplus.  

Personally, I tried two brands of NV scopes (ATN & Osprey) purchased (2002-2003) through them and returned both because of being disappointed with the quality.  Also, NV can be relatively delicate as we've had a Gen I monocular and Gen II+ set of bino's go bad within two years of usage.  Even BM's Gen III bino's (US Optics) were failing (spots in the FOV were getting more pronounced) as the "tubes" of most all NV have a relatively short life span.  Currently, I have a (digital) NV monocular (Weaver) purchased from Cabela's (2005) which has three sets of lens, one of which greatly reduces the night blindness associated with the "green" lens mode in NV applications.

Heck, I'd love to get ahold of one of the TI battle sights like the one used on my son's MII Abroms.

While I encourage and appreciate constructive input and questioning on anything posted IMHO, Graybeard's position on creating this forum was to restrict some of the cat-n-mouse or "gotcha guy" flamer games which seem to be endemic on some dedicated BF websites.  I feel intelligent discourse can be achieved w/o someone coming across as the north end of a south bound horse.  8)
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2006, 06:42:19 AM »
I used some of the generation I stuff down in south Texas while hunting hogs a few years back, about all I could say about that stuff was it was a bit better than nothing.

Haven't used any of the newer stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2006, 07:29:01 AM »
I got a ITT Gen III...I ordered it from a police supply store out of Oklahoma...on a clear moonless night....you can see a man standing next to a tree clearly....and thats with no ir illuminator!
The ITT gen 3 intensifier tubes are what the U.S military use....but you will pay a small fortune to have that kind of quality!

:Edit: another thing....with a military grade genI scope on your rifle...you could not see good enuff to take a shot at a BF...and be sure you was not shooting at a person...a gen III military grade scope...You could see clearly enuff to be sure of what you are shooting at in most cases!

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