Author Topic: Model 17 Remington problem (Read 1317 times)

1Longbow · « **on:** April 20, 2006, 01:29:59 PM »

I have a Model 17 Remington 20 guage pump shotgun. If I hold the gun with the barrel pointing up or straight the action works fine. If I point the muzzel towards the ground,the action will not open no matter how hard I pull on the forearm. Point the barrel up the action slides open. Any help or suggestions(besides not shooting towards the ground) Thanks very much for any help---1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:03:12 AM »

Sorry partner but I've no experience with a M17 Remington. Have you any photoes or describe the gun better.. Are you certain its a 17? Now for a few common problems. - if you depress the slide release and hold it will the slide open? perhaps a broken slide lock spring or slide lock?? Some guns also have a spring loaded release for the interceptor latch or the part that releases the action when the weapon is fired.. Basically sounds like a broken or disconnected spring.. Sorry I can't be of more help..

1Longbow · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2006, 05:17:17 PM »

gunnut69 ,
Thanks for the reply,the gun is a Model 17 Remington pump. If you look at an Ithaca Model 37 then you are pretty much looking at a model 17. Bottom loading and feeding. If I hold the slide release button in while the gun is pointed downward then no the slide will not come back.In the other 2 positions ,while holding the release button in slide comes back,perplexing. Thanks again for your reply---1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2006, 04:42:04 AM »

Does the slide stop feel spring loaded? If not perhaps the spring is broken or disconnected. You might remove the trigger group and check to see if the problem still occurs. I'm betting it in the slide stop. It's possible the latch pivot pin is gone missing of something of the sort. You'll have to daignos this one as we go.. First the trigger group, then test..

1Longbow · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2006, 10:10:40 AM »

Well I took the trigger group out ,and of course the slide works no matter which way the gun is held. The slide does not appear to be spring loaded. I got an up close look at the slide release button and its function,with the trigger group removed,and while it seems to function as its supposed to,the spring does appear to me to be alittle weak,though I have nothing that tells me,this is how its supposed to work with that amount of tension. I'm cleaning the parts right now,to get a better look,though it was pretty clean inside---1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:17:00 AM »

Check the positioning of the slide release. The up/down portion of the problem seems like a weak spring that perhaps is not repositioning the slide stop or the bolt slide having too much play. The slide is the portion that acts as a bolt carrier and is locked in place by the slide stop. Did the problem occur just when releasing the slide with the release lever of olso when the shotgun was fired?? Just because the problem doesn't occur with the trigger group out doesn't mean it's the total cause.

1Longbow · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2006, 04:03:00 PM »

gunnut69 ,
Again thanks for the reply ,I've been out of town for a couple of days and I plan to sit and nuts with the gun this week .I'll post more of what I find.
Thanks 1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:41:56 PM »

Please note on the attached diagram there are 2 slide stop springs, one tagged #41 slide stop release spring(top). the slide stop return is listed as #30. I would suspect the #41 spring is incorrectly positioned, weak or broken,, Does the weapon work when the hammer is dropped? That is will the slide release when fired in either the pointed up or pointed down position? Sometimes observation is all we have to work with.

http://stevespages.com/ipb-ithaca-model37.html

1Longbow · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2006, 10:21:54 AM »

gunnut69 ,
Thanks for the drawing it really helped.I tore the action down last night,and after looking at the Model 37 drawing ,the only difference between the 2 seems to be the hammer itself. On the Remington the back of the hammer has a notch cut out of it,there is then a hook shaped ,or bird head shaped piece that appears lock the into tha notch cut out on the back of the hammer. This bird head shaped piece is not under any tension,and seems just to flop back and forth. I think this is the problem. When the gun is pointed downward,that piece flips forward and prevents the action from cycling.When the gun is held upright,this piece pivots back to the straight up and down position and the gun will cycle. I think that I need to find a drawing of a model 17 to see if there is a spring missing that conects to that small piece. Does this sound plausible to you?

Thanks again --1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2006, 11:36:32 AM »

In the drawings does the parts #40 and 41 exist? I'll see if I can find a parts diagram for the M17.. Does the weapon release when it is fired or the trigger pulled..

1Longbow · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:21:28 PM »

gunnut69,
Yes both parts 40 and 41 are present,the action will not cycle ,even if the trigger is pulled and pointed downward,if level or up and the gun is shot or just the trigger pulled it will cycle----1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2006, 07:05:37 AM »

Well the slide stop is failing somewhere and the part you have on the hammer is looking good as the culprit but I still haven't found a parts diagram. I'll look further in the shop as that's where a lot of my older references are. Did the weapon ever work or has it never functioned correctly? Also you might check out the remington website as they have links to places that carry parts and provide service for some of their obsolete models..

1Longbow · « **Reply #12 on:** May 05, 2006, 12:47:42 PM »

gunnut69,
Thanks for your help in all of this. The gun did work up until about a year ago. The gun belongs to a co -worker and he let his son use it for the past year. I was told that the gun was never taken apart,but the screws told me a different story,as they were kinda bunged up. So I must assume that the kid tried to do something to it. 1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 06, 2006, 10:02:29 AM »

I would check the hammer stop(the part you found on the hammer) is the likely cause. Perhaps it's installed backward/unside down? I found a parts list at JackFirst but no indication of orientation or even fundtion! Try removing the offending part and see if function improves. DON'T do any live fire with parts missing until the finction or those pieces is determined. Dry firing should tell us all we need to know.. I'll keep looking for a decent diagram.

1Longbow · « **Reply #14 on:** May 06, 2006, 11:55:38 AM »

gunnut69 ,
you know I never thought of just trying it without that part,great suggestion . As you stated right now that part has no tension on it and does'nt latch onto the back of the hammer where it looks like it should. I 'm going to give it a try,unloaded of course. 1Longbow

1Longbow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 06, 2006, 02:25:24 PM »

gunnut69,
Well I removed the little bird head shaped part,and the gun performs perfectly,up, down,sideways,upside down,so I guess that part was the problem,now to answer WHY. I know that there was no tension on the part and it just flopped back and forth,so something tells me that there is a spring or something missing. The saftey still works without the part installed. So we know what caused it,now whats missing?--1Longbow

killdeer · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2006, 03:27:28 PM »

Cmon 1Longbow, give us the last chapter! :mrgreen:

gunnut69 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 09, 2006, 10:30:30 AM »

I went to Remingtons website and found some info about the weapon in question. The first link below is to a brief history page for the M17. The second link is to a page of parts suppliers/gunsmiths etc, on Remingtons websitr. The only 2 that list parts(perhaps they have a diagram) is GunPartCorp and JackFirst.

http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/shotguns/model_17.asp

http://www.remington.com/support/repair_services/specialty_parts_dealers.asp

1Longbow · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:11:57 PM »

gunnut69
.I can't thank you enough for your help with this gun. I contacted Jackfirst and they will see if the can find a drawing for me . You are a wealth of information,and have won my respect . Thank you again ---1Longbow

gunnut69 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:34:00 PM »

I don't know if I deserved any complement but thanks anyway. Be sure to keep us apprised of the outcome. This is not a common shotgun and I'm always try to learn more.. I'm especially interested in the offending part and it's intended function.. If you get a parts drawing I'd certainly like a copy if it wouldn't be too much trouble...