i now have a 4X-15MM on my 22000mag and have been doing a lot of shooting. All i can get and have money for is daisy and crosman flat points. One time a week ago i found this pond were i shoot at and about 30 starlings were up in a well one landed so i shot him and one more came down to have a look and so on tell all 30 lay dead by the water. one time also i was out rideing my bike when i saw a crow by some home near a lake(lots of water in FL) well i got within 30 yards a put a flat in his head and that shot him dead. this gun has made me kill ever starling i see now :blaster: :sniper: :devil2: have you been doing some hunting out there?