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Offline paul105

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GMRS vs FRS -- Worth $80 FCC Lic Fee?
« on: April 29, 2006, 03:50:42 PM »
I just recently updated the software on a pair of RINO 120s so that the peer to peer positioning feature could be used with the GMRS radio, effectively doubling the range.

A couple of questions.

Is the GMRS capable of better quality audio than the FRS?  I know that the GMRS has greater range than the FRS, but is the quality of the audio better?

Is GMRS "line of sight" dependant like FRS?

My son and I have been using the 120s for two years now.  We hunt the rocky mountains in SW Montana.  As I've grown older, I find that I can't keep up the the "Mountain Goat" son of mine.  Anyway, I bought the RINOs for safety's sake.  I figured that if one of us had an accident or medical emergency, we would be able to communicate/find the other if necessary.   So far, we have been impressed by these units.  We really haven't had a problem with the terrain related transmission/reception problems using the FRS and peer to peer poling.

I was thinking about paying the fee, and getting the FCC lics just as extra insurance, if there really is an advantage.

Is it worth the $160 ($80 x 2)?

TIA

Paul

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GMRS vs FRS -- Worth $80 FCC Lic Fee?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2006, 06:27:44 AM »
Sir:  I know 15 people who have radios with GMRS an nobody gets the license.  Who is going to ticket you; the FCC?  How are they going to find you in the middle of the rockies or your wheat field?  Of course the law is the law, BUT it's about like jay walking.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2006, 08:18:01 AM »
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"Is the GMRS capable of better quality audio than the FRS?  I know that the GMRS has greater range than the FRS, but is the quality of the audio better?

Is GMRS "line of sight" dependant like FRS?

My son and I have been using the 120s for two years now.  We hunt the rocky mountains in SW Montana.  As I've grown older, I find that I can't keep up the the "Mountain Goat" son of mine.  Anyway, I bought the RINOs for safety's sake.  I figured that if one of us had an accident or medical emergency, we would be able to communicate/find the other if necessary.   So far, we have been impressed by these units.  We really haven't had a problem with the terrain related transmission/reception problems using the FRS and peer to peer poling." Unquote

The quality of transmission has more to do with the quality built into your radio by the manufacture and the status of your battery.  If you have a weak battery quality will decline.  If you radio has a poor speaker your reception will be poor.  And if the person on the far end does not speak clearly reception is effected.  Radios are designed to operate with the antenna in a vertical position.  Recently I watch an employee in a large warehouse store run around and talk into his radio in an upside down position.  Inside the warehouse with a very short range it did not make a difference.  Out in the woods the difference maybe a failed communications.  To me the guy was not cool just an idiot.

More power (watts) will not allow you to talk through mountains.  Public safety uses mountain top repeaters for long-range communications.  Even with 200-watt radios I have observed Highway Patrolmen and Sheriffs Deputies switch to Forest Service or BLM radio’s to communicate out of canyon country.  This cooperation is the result of agreements between agencies.  We have become accustom to microwave towers around the country.  Those towers are receiving and repeating traffic over long distance.

My partners and I have been using the FRS side of our radios.  The reason is battery life.  If we can use .6 watts to deliver the same message as 5 watts then we are wise to use that option.  But I want the 4 or 5-watt option when required.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2006, 03:07:36 PM »
I have a pair of motorola's, and a pair of Unidens.  IMO, the audio quality is better using FRS.

As far as the license, you might as well join the rest of us criminal radio users and tell uncle Sam to "piss up a rope".

Sooner or later, and probably now, we will all be criminals.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 01:15:24 PM »
Get a license or forget about it.  That is your decision.

The legislation that brought about the FRS/GMR radios was part of a big package.  It was a real money cow for our nothing but honest congressmen and women.  I am sure the transactions were all handled in a legal manner with the money flowing into re-election funds, into spouses lobbying businesses, and cooperate jets flying congressmen overseas and across the US on junkets.

The over all legislation effected more then just portable radios.  It also affected broadcast bands.  Meaning TV, radio, cell phones, wi-fi and other modes of transmitted communications.    

While all this sounds great Congress is required to make legislation fiscally neutral.  Meaning it will have a neutral impact on the Treasury.  Wink!  Wink!  Many of us will see the cost impact when we have to buy a digital to replace our analogy TV.  Ouch, we have a TV in the living room, the computer room and the bedroom in which we have our stationary bike.  But another negative impact is on public safety communications.  Radio frequencies were taken from wide band (analog) to narrow band (digital).  Federal agencies had to change over first.  In the fire world with a lot of coop agreements between State, Local, and Federal agencies this is having a costly impact.  When there is a critical incident all agencies need to talk with each other.  Nothing like a back fire from agency “A” burning over a volunteer fire department engine do to poor communications.  Or a helicopter on analog trying to talk to a unit that’s radio has been narrow banded to comply with Congresses mandate.

How does Congress make the change over neutral to the Treasury.  It charges the small user a license fee!

One of the problems now is the Federal agencies have under Congressional Mandate been replacing their radio systems with narrow band radios.  Because there are many cooperating agencies that cannot make the change the radios must be backward compatible with wide band radios.  The net effect is that they cost more money.  Contractors who pickup many Federal Safety jobs in the outsource process are purchasing these surplus radios on the Internet.  Many of these are contractor run Mexican Fire crews. (Yep, replacing US labor with illegals) So you have radios that do not match up and according to this mornings Sacramento Bee newspaper you have non-English speaking people who are not properly trained and cannot communicate with the professional who might keep them alive.  And in turn if a Spanish-speaking fire fighter sees a dangerous situation he may not be able to properly advise English-speaking firemen.  The Federal Land Management Agencies maintained large caches of radios to be used during emergencies.  These were a National Asset that was made obsolete.  

Dispatch Centers are a very complex scene with dispatchers operating on numerous radio frequencies.  When units cannot talk to each other in the field they try and relay traffic through the dispatcher centers.  An untimely process which is subject to human error.

I rather doubt that the FCC has units running around tracking down people who do not have radio licenses.  So it is up to you.  It is like driving down the freeway at five miles over the speed limit on Tuesday.  Is Tuesday a special enforcement day or not.  Most likely not.
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