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Offline Ten Ring

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« on: May 01, 2006, 06:14:30 PM »
I picked up my rifle Saturday and ordered some dies for my press today. Can anybody help with some starting data using a 300gr hp max range 125yds. I'll be hunting whitetail deer in mostly woods.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 06:18:43 PM »
Here's Hodgdon's data...

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/4570gov.php

You can get lots more by picking up the 2006 Annual at Walmart for $7 or get a LoadbookUSA for the .45-70, it will have all powder and bullet mfr data in one loose bound booklet.


http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=694314

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 01:32:01 AM »
I recommend the loadbook.  I buy one for each of my calibers.  Had great luck with this load:

51.0gr Reloader7 with a Barnes .300gr XFN.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 02:47:39 AM »
Ten Ring,
I live kinda close to your described location.  The 51grs of Rx7 behind the Barnes 300gr will undoubtedly make short work of any whitetail you hit with it............   and shooting several of them to sight in or practice will come pretty close to sending you to the orthopedic surgeon too.
I load for my BC and my wife's Handi in .450 Marlin (same ballistic potential and internal dimensions as the 45-70) and last year settled on 40 grs Rx7 behind the Rem 300 gr corloct HP.   It gave one shot kills on a couple of grown white tails without any doctor bills after the shooting.  I think the MVL was about 1550 fps but, for woods work it should serve your purpose. And no matter how fast you push it, this caliber is never going to be a "bean field" rifle.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 07:04:01 AM »
Try this one...

45 grains of H4198...Remington Nickle case...Remington 9-1/2 primer

Get a Lyman "M" die..and use it instead of your normal belling die..it does a fantastic job...and pick up a Lee Factory crimp die..It will do a wonderful job for you..and make your crimps perfect..without overdoing it..and give much better consistantcy to your loads..

With a 24" barrel..you will get around 1800-1850 fps..It's not the fastest loading you can do with this powder..but has done well for me in the past accuracy wise when using Trapdoor loads...and duplicates the Winchester Supreme factory load velocity...While most 300 grainers work well..the 2 that I am impressed with the most are the Nosler Partition..and the Speer Uni-core ..these have preformed super out of my 45-70's..The Nosler is expensive...but..it is one accurate bullet and will hold together better than the cheaper ones...if anything larger than deer are on the hunting ticket..it would be the one I would use..there is very little shift in the point of impact between the 2 bullets..so you could do your sighting in with the cheaper and then switch over to the Nosler for hunting..or just stay with the Speer for deer hunting..either one will work great....at 125 yards...

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 08:06:34 AM »
Mac,
I used the Lyman "M" die for years with cast bulets in several calibers, but by the time I got my BC, the Lee Universal Neck Expander Die had come along and I went with it when the built in Lee neck expander was too small for use with cast bullets.   I know the Lee is a flare/bell die and I understand how the "M" works.  What I'd like to ask you is have you compared results with them in the 45-70.    I like them both but don't have an "M" die in .45-70 to allow a comparison.  

Also, it's interesting you mention the Speer 300 as a second choice.   When we were testing loads on the bench, we actuallly go better accuracy with the Rem corlocts 300 gr HP than with the Speer 300 gr HP.   Both gave good hunting accuracy but the Rem was definitely more consistant in our rifles.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 02:49:59 PM »
My R7/Barnes load isn't too bad on the body.  I expected it to be but it's not.  Now, I do have a 16oz mercury recoil supressor inside a laminated stock so that hekps a little.  I killed 2 wild boars in TX 6 weeks ago with this load and it performed flawlessly.

I will likely try the Hornady .300gr holow point on Whitetails.  I have had fantastic results with Hornady bullets on deer.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 05:52:55 PM »
Thanks for the data on re-loading. I couldn't find the material at my local Wallmart so I will have to make an order from Midway.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 06:19:07 PM »
My .45-70 is a marlin 1895GS...

I also am a big fan of Reloader7 in my .45-70 with the 300gr. sierra bullets.  I would suggest you email the bullet manufacturer you are using and find out what the range of impact velocities the bullets were made for and work out your load from that information.

Let me know what powder you get, bullet, and the type of velocity you want and I will look 'er up for you.  

One thing, in my experience with the.45-70, the load can be a real powderpuff and still knock a whitetail flat.

Good Luck,
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2006, 02:59:27 AM »
OK, here is my all time favorite 45-70 load, extremely accurate, easy shooting with not much recoil, very clean with little powder residue. Those who have been here a while will have heard me speak of it before so please bear with me, I hope you try it and if you do I am sure you will like it. It starts with a 350 grain Hornady RNFP bullet ahead of 28.0 grains of 2400, I load mine in RP brass and it is a sweet load. I know you asked for a load for 300 grain bullets, so using 2400 you can use 24.0 to 41.4 grains...following is a link I find usefull for load data...
 
http://stevespages.com/458_1_300.html

have fun with your 45-70, it is a wonderful and useful caliber....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2006, 06:17:04 AM »
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I used the Lyman "M" die for years with cast bulets in several calibers, but by the time I got my BC, the Lee Universal Neck Expander Die had come along and I went with it when the built in Lee neck expander was too small for use with cast bullets. I know the Lee is a flare/bell die and I understand how the "M" works. What I'd like to ask you is have you compared results with them in the 45-70. I like them both but don't have an "M" die in .45-70 to allow a comparison.


I switched over to the M die several years ago and have never used the Lee univerasal expander.I've found no need to use one to be honest..so I cannot give you a direct comparison.The M die has done exactly what I need it to..and it is very inexpensive.On my Lee factory crimp die..I've replaced the cheap snug ring with a Hornady lock ring..I use them in my Hornady Lock & Load press. I can tell you that the Lee die I have has sloppy threads on it..but..I corrected that with teflon tape..and no more problems...

As too the M dies performance..I exclusivly use nickle plated brass...and have never had a loss of a case due to over belling the case mouth and the plating coming off..The factory crimp die too has given flawless service thru several thousands of rounds loaded with it...and they are 2 products I highly reccomend to anyone..

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2006, 07:01:35 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 08:25:03 AM »
Very good point above about the velocity required for the bullet to perform properly.  I originally bought standard Barnes X bullets but when I emailed them they recommended the flat nose because it opened at a much lower velocity.

600gr, I might have to try that next year.  I love Barnes bullets for thick skinned game but never thought about shooting anything that big.  Twice what I shot this year  :-)
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 09:16:40 AM »
Don, where'd ya get data for the 600gr barnes bullet?

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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 09:35:06 AM »
No POst

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2006, 09:39:05 AM »
Load data, please!! :wink:

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2006, 11:06:27 AM »
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Don, where'd ya get data for the 600gr barnes bullet?

Thx

Tim


The only load data I see for the 600gr Original is for DG big bores, Barnes shows it as a .458 Win Mag bullet, Hodgdon shows data for .460 Wby and .470 NE. So where'd you get load data to work up a load? I don't suppose you've chrono'd that load, have ya??   Inquiring minds need to know!! :lol:

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2006, 11:55:52 AM »
I have a source but want take you to him/involve. Just do a web search and it is out there. Hint start looking for a 580 gr bullet!!!!!!


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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2006, 01:08:55 PM »
Don,

Graybeard's note tells me your load isn't something I'd recommend to anyone here if you have no published source on which to rely on for a start load. You may very well be starting in dangerous territory.

Perhaps a better choice would be to use a hard cast bullet using known data, the Barnes bullet isn't going to expand at that low velocity if it's meant to be used in a DG cartridge at 1800-2400 fps. And that long bearing surface has got to create some terrific pressures.

Tim
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 07:30:46 PM »
First, listen to these fine gentlemen. They know a whole lot. Then get a loadbook for the caliber and also get a lyman 48th edit reloading man. You really can't have enough info. When you get a chance go to reloadersnest.com. BTW, Check out IMR powder website.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2006, 04:21:15 AM »
I'll try this again
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2006, 06:42:22 PM »
Tim.
The max velocity with a Barnes 600 RNSP and a full case of H 4198 about 25gr. is 1300ft. and about 44kpsi.
With a faster powder you could push it to 1400ft. and 55ksi. That bullet is 1.600" long and deep seated in a 45-70 case. No room for powder left.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2006, 07:07:38 PM »
Well, I guess there'd be no problems with it shedding its jacket at that low velocity, this one impacted at about 2000fps, completely separated!

Tim

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2006, 07:25:15 PM »
10 ring,

I use a 300 gr Rem JHP with Win LR primer in Rem brass and 20.0 gr of Blue Dot for about 1480 fps.  It'll shoot close to 1" groups at 100 yards and the recoil won't beat you to death.  It's similar to MSP's 2400 load.

Jr. Doughtery wrote about his experiences with a NEF .45-70 in Louisiana, but I can't find his site any more.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2006, 07:47:21 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2006, 03:39:08 AM »
That's the one Tim.  I guess it would help if I learned how to spell his name?

We are both about the same age and were both Fire Control Technicians during the same period of time, but I haven't had any heart attacks.  Junior's dad used to write for the gun magazines, but for the life of me, I can't remember his name either.  :cry:
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2006, 04:49:02 AM »
His dad's name is John Lee sr, Junior's given name is John Lee jr. :wink:

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2006, 07:25:28 AM »
I knew that, I was just temporarily out of touch with some of my facilities connected with memory functions!   :roll:   :-D  :)
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2006, 08:59:59 AM »
Paul5388, try this site... http://www.castbullet.com/ ....<><.... :grin:
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