Author Topic: .270 OR .30-06 for a new rifle? (Read 5716 times)

poncaguy · « **Reply #30 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:58:06 AM »

I got a Handi rifle 270 a couple of weeks ago, and just ordered a Mossberg SS ATR 270. Have owned one 30-06 and 5 or 6 270's in the last 40 years. My 270's were a little more accurate for me and dropped the deer better for me. Was always a Jack O'Conner fan...........

xHogHunter · « **Reply #31 on:** June 17, 2006, 08:45:36 PM »

Sounds like you want a versatile hunting rifle for all seasons. For this the '06 has no peer. You can take it any where in the lower 48 to hunt anything. With the new Lt Mag loads from Federal and Hornady you will have something very close to a 300 winmag. No other caliber including a 270 can match. With the new reduced loads a kid or wife can hunt comfortably. When there can be only one! My hunt buddy loves the 270, he has about five, but he always says for all around the '06 has no equal.

RaySendero · « **Reply #32 on:** June 19, 2006, 03:15:24 PM »

Get yourself a good bolt action rifle in 270 Winchester.

grousehunter · « **Reply #33 on:** June 20, 2006, 05:03:11 PM »

They are TWINS!!!!!!!!!! I can remember 40 yrs ago, My uncle was going to Wyoming to hunt and a fellow was afraid to go, becauce his weapon was an 06! he offered his 270 instead to the gentlemen! and the hunt went just as planned!

454Puma · « **Reply #34 on:** June 20, 2006, 05:52:53 PM »

I just love turning 270's into '06 rounds! :-D Go with the '06 and you''ll have all the gun you'll ever need! Accuracy a relative thing if you can put ten rounds onto a pie plate at 200-250yds your there for most all of your hunting needs!

And any good hunting gun will do that with ease -the question is can the shooter?

PAPACHUCK · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2006, 05:42:02 AM »

Quote from: qajaq59 on May 10, 2006, 06:34:45 AM

Nasem, you mentioned a 55 gr bullt for the 06.
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2) Heavier bullets, with the 30-06, you can get the 55 grain ALL the way up to 220.
I've never seen a load for one that light. Do you happen to have one?

Remington .30-06 55gr. "Accelerator". Upwards of 3900-4000 fps. Saboted .223 bullet in a .30-06 case.

poncaguy · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:01:48 AM »

My favorite nowdays is the 270WSM, followed closely by the 300WSM, no need for the 06,,,,,still shoot 270, 308, 35 Whelen, 45-70 too. And 243 260 Rem and 25-06!

S.S. · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2006, 09:04:42 AM »

Close your eves and grab one! Too close in performance
to make a lot of difference. 06 can throw a heavier bullet.
270 has flatter trajectory. Either will serve you well.
06 seems to kick substantially harder even with
comparable bullet weights?

Lou270 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2006, 01:30:12 PM »

I would go with the .270. .270 shoots a bit flatter and hits deer and medium game just as hard. Also, with pretty much any 130 gr. .270 bullet starting over 3000 fps, you will still have over 2300 fps at 300 yards and over 2000 fps at 400 yards. In the 06 you either have to load it hot or use the most streamlined lighter bullets to be in the same realm. What this means, at least to me, is I'm ensured to get good expansion on rib cage (no bone) hits, on even relatively light deer at extended ranges with the .270. The .30-06 has plenty of oomph at these ranges, but bullet action will gemerally be a bit less dramatic due to lower impact velocity. I have seen more long tracking jobs on deer because bullets are slow to open vs. the opposite. The 06 definitely has an edge on heavier game, but in my mind, the .270 is a better deer round and don't believe the 06 is that much better on Elk that I would choose it for an occassional hunt.

-Lou

nabob · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:16:53 PM »

I own both.

Both lay the deer in the sweet peas.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2006, 08:37:46 PM »

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Wil be used for deer sized game or smaller. MAYBE just MAYBE an Elk?

I say find a long barreled 270 Winchester...if you can...since smaller game will be more often than large game like elk...it just makes more sense to me to go with one over a 30-o6...Not dissing the o6' at all...but it does have the edge in the lighter bullets...The long barreled 270 is more than adiquate for elk...with suitable bullets...and since this sounds like it would be a rare trip to hunt one...I don't see the need for the heavier bullet advantage...now...if it were the other way around...and more elk hunting than deer & varmint hunting...I would give the o6' the nod...Both will work in either sceanario..but the 270 is a awsome deer round in it's own right..

Mac

poncaguy · « **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2006, 02:40:39 AM »

I think, if I could only have one big game rifle, it would be the 270...........mainly because of ammo availability, 270WSM otherwise.

RLB · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:51:14 PM »

The 06 is king and nobody can take that away.....However having both I perfer my 700 CDL in .270.
I love that rifle and perfer the lighter recoil and flatter shootin .270...Plus you can use 100gr loads for yotes.....they offer 100gr to 160gr loads so weight is no longer a issue..

RLB..........If you need more info on the .270 read any of Jack Oconnors books....he shot everything with the .270 both here and in africa....could you imagine shootin a cape buffalo with a .270

jdt48653 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2006, 01:37:02 PM »

i own both,and love both,but my ole 264 beats them both after 300yds!

nasem · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:41:06 PM »

Quote from: qajaq59 on May 10, 2006, 06:34:45 AM

Nasem, you mentioned a 55 gr bullt for the 06.
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2) Heavier bullets, with the 30-06, you can get the 55 grain ALL the way up to 220.
I've never seen a load for one that light. Do you happen to have one?

yes remington makes them. They are called the 30-06 accelerators or something like that..... theyr VERY VERY FAST lol

Ramrod · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:42:38 PM »

Read some old Jack O'Conner articles. The .270 probably wouldn't even exist today without his blessing. He killed hundreds of animals all around the globe with it, and wrote about almost evey hunt. He also killed alot of game with an '06. The .270 works better for light game, but even old Jack had to admit the '06 was a better all around round.

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2006, 09:17:19 PM »

I love the .270---even though currently darn near every rifle I own is a .30 caliber of some sort----had to sell my old Browning .270 about 6 years ago---needed the money more at the time----and just haven't found a new .270 that has called to me---they changed the stocks on the new Brownings and I don't like the feel of them anymore. Wishing I still had my old one back

----went back to the place a couple months later to buy it back and it was gone already.

jro45 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 18, 2006, 06:30:22 AM »

30/06 because you can use it for larger game not that the 270 couldn't kill larger game also.

The 30/06 can shoot bullets from 130 gr bullet to the 220 gr bullet. The 270 can't do that.

CallaoJoe · « **Reply #48 on:** October 18, 2006, 06:37:54 AM »

I own, shoot & love both of em. But if I could only have one, and I thought I'd ever want to shoot an Elk with it, the 06' would get the nod. A good friend of mine once told me, 06's are like tater chips, you should never stop at just one......

Lot's of good loads up to 220 gr bullets. For elk, the 180 gr Barnes TSX would be my 1st choice.....

They'll both do the job, but if you can only have one of them..... The 06' would get the nod....

CraigP · « **Reply #49 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:15:08 PM »

I say either one. For the uses you mentioned, I think you are talking 6 of one and a half dozen of the other.

Craig

Heavy C · « **Reply #50 on:** October 26, 2006, 07:04:14 AM »

I got my 270 first, but decided to add the '06 because of the variety of bullet weights it can handle. Both are awesome and are more than up to the task of taking anything in North America.

ScoutMan · « **Reply #51 on:** October 26, 2006, 12:07:52 PM »

There ain't a thing that you can't fix with $700 and a thirty ought six.--Lindy Cooper Wisdom

Ramrod · « **Reply #52 on:** October 26, 2006, 12:36:02 PM »

Quote from: ScoutMan on October 26, 2006, 12:07:52 PM

There ain't a thing that you can't fix with $700 and a thirty ought six.--Lindy Cooper Wisdom

What's the $700 for? Bail Money?

ScoutMan · « **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2006, 03:03:40 AM »

[What's the $700 for? Bail Money?]

For whatever emergency arises!!

tanoose · « **Reply #54 on:** October 28, 2006, 11:28:02 AM »

I have 5 different rifles in 30/06 so i would try the 270. But why dont you buy both and use one as a back up rifle then let us all know which you chose as your primary.

woodswatcher · « **Reply #55 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:56:59 AM »

an example of a .270 hit..

saturday nite..

i spent 3 hours on a DARK..DARK night blood trailing a nice 9pt my brother shot. good blood..here and there..up and down a mountain ..including jumping up a 4ft rock ledge.

when we found him at first light sunday morning..he had a front leg that was completely fractured and the lower portion of his ventricles were gone from the bullet strike.

a 1 mile tracking job..on a 110lb dressed out whitetail, that would have been negated if a larger caliber had been used.

this has been a routine, since my brother has gotten his hands on a .270 a bolt. the gun shoots like a dream..and will put a dozen rounds into a clean hole..

but....

i really think the caliber is lacking some weight..and frontal mass.

granted every deer is different in shot placement and other issues..but out of the 30 deer my brother has taken, other than some neck shots he has pulled off..NO DEER HAS EVER BEEN BROKEN DOWN..all deer have been blood trailed in excess of 100 yards.

out of 5 hunters in our camp..we took a poll..
the most any deer hit with a 30 caliber rifle has been 75 yards or so..most dropping within eyesight.

why is it that a .308 or 30-06..does that..

its 30 grains in weight..and frontal mass..shock factor.

i use to think that elmer keith was full of himself..about the .270 comments..
i have come to the realization that the round is a "damned adequate coyote round"..

Brithunter · « **Reply #56 on:** November 20, 2006, 10:14:18 AM »

Errrr from the description of the damage .................. no matter how accurate the rifle may be at the range. Your brother pulled the shot or is just a poor game shot. with a nearly miss like that a heavier calibre would most likly not help. Putting the bullet where it belongs in the Heart/lungs or through the mafor part of the neck will drop them. A shot which breaks a leg and only clips the chest will result in a long tracking job. The shot was low simple as that. Now you say he has shot 30 deer like that

well he needs to learn to shoot game pure and simple.

He ain't using varmint bullets is he?

Here in the UK a lot of folks don't like te .270 Winchester as it's too powerful and is said to tear up carcases

.

one eye joe · « **Reply #57 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:12:08 AM »

The 55 grain bullet talked about is the Remington Accellerater. Even though variety of weights in bullets is often given as a factor, ask the guys how many of them stick with one weight after they get the rifle. I would go with the '06. The parent generally has it over the offspring, and I think it is true in this case. The .25-06, .270, .280, and .35 Whelen are all great rounds. I have or have had most of them. The original .30-06 will do whatever you need.

Rummer · « **Reply #58 on:** November 20, 2006, 03:05:44 PM »

I have never used a .270 on game. I have buddies who use it. I just don't see an advantage to a rifle of less than .30 caliber. IMHO a bigger hole is a better hole, up to a point. The .35 whelen beats both; but since the choice is between a .270 and a .30-06, I'd go with the 06.

Rummer

Mac11700 · « **Reply #59 on:** November 21, 2006, 07:52:48 AM »

Quote from: woodswatcher on November 20, 2006, 06:56:59 AM

an example of a .270 hit..

saturday nite..

i spent 3 hours on a DARK..DARK night blood trailing a nice 9pt my brother shot. good blood..here and there..up and down a mountain ..including jumping up a 4ft rock ledge.

when we found him at first light sunday morning..he had a front leg that was completely fractured and the lower portion of his ventricles were gone from the bullet strike.

a 1 mile tracking job..on a 110lb dressed out whitetail, that would have been negated if a larger caliber had been used.

this has been a routine, since my brother has gotten his hands on a .270 a bolt. the gun shoots like a dream..and will put a dozen rounds into a clean hole..

but....

i really think the caliber is lacking some weight..and frontal mass.

granted every deer is different in shot placement and other issues..but out of the 30 deer my brother has taken, other than some neck shots he has pulled off..NO DEER HAS EVER BEEN BROKEN DOWN..all deer have been blood trailed in excess of 100 yards.

out of 5 hunters in our camp..we took a poll..
the most any deer hit with a 30 caliber rifle has been 75 yards or so..most dropping within eyesight.

why is it that a .308 or 30-06..does that..

its 30 grains in weight..and frontal mass..shock factor.

i use to think that elmer keith was full of himself..about the .270 comments..
i have come to the realization that the round is a "damned adequate coyote round"..

If your brother had put the bullet in the vitals...not a low hit as he did...you wouldn't have had to track the deer very far...this is assuming the deer wasn't spooked and running full out.No 30 caliber bullet is going to make up for a low hit...I've taken many deer with the 270 Win and the 30 cals...30-06 & 308 &30-30 ...and the furthest I had to track one was 350 yards...using the Hornady lite mag 270 rounds...The hit was low and forward just as your brothers was...Just above the heart and thru the lungs will give the best result..regardless of caliber used...If you want the "shock" factor...use a Ballistic tip...if you want the" shock" factor...and complete penatration use a Nosler Partition or Accubond...No deer will stand long after recieving one of these in the appropriate place...FWIW...I've seen plenty of deer which ran a long ways after taking multiple bad hits with 30 caliber bullets...The bigger bullet isn't a gaurentee for questionalble hits...nor is any of the magnums...

Mac