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Offline Dave Shooter

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Big Bro is a listening
« on: May 11, 2006, 04:55:19 PM »
:-) How many thinks big brother is bored so they have to have all americans phone records to have something to keep them busy?
I mean lets get real not everyone is a nut case turbin head!
Like puttin all the american japs back in the camps because they are the enemy.I guess  it is true history does repeat itself. Like stupid is so stupid does.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2006, 08:13:25 PM »
I'm not going to state for a FACT there is nothing to worry about... BUT I feel that I have a better idea than most that there is nothing to worry about.  I was there for the last three years.  I will state that NSA is VERY concerned about conforming to the various laws, directives and EO's concerning collection on US persons.  Doesn't include just US citizens but expands to cover many other areas.  Yes, collection is done inadvertently BUT the records may only be retained for a certain time (hours... not days) and reports are generated as soon as it is known.  It is not taken lightly.  What I believe ( pure conjecture on my part) is happening is that phone numbers are being collected to be used solely to enable analysts and programmers to build better algorithms for call-chaining.  What does this mean for us?
This is one way we find bad-guys all over the world.  Call chaining lets us establish who called who, how many times and when.  Then we plot that against known terrorists/enemies and against previous attacks/ied's etc ,and put a picture together to enable us to start building a pictoral story of who the bad guys talk to and how that relates to our ops.  Then we kill them...  I'm not involved in anything illegal.  If how I use my phone will help the nerds at NSA find a way to shorten the find/fix/kill timeline... all the better.

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Offline williamlayton

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2006, 10:49:04 PM »
Just because one is paranoid does not mean that one does not have someone looking for him.
I also would HOPE there is no worry. I would HOPE all who were at work in this area can be trusted.
I would HOPE that there are safeguards which would protect us and at the same time I would HOPE it would be useful in protection.
I did not say ASSUME!!!
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Offline victorcharlie

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 01:18:35 AM »
Our fascist government can find no power that it is not willing to assume.   How much power do you think the federal government should have?  In my eyes, they want it all, all the power, and we have only the rights the feds want us to have.  

We  have allowed the constitution to be adulterated to the point that it is only a historical document and thus don't have the government that most of us think we have, but instead more of a fascist government much like Italy prior to WWII.  All powerful.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
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Offline slide-flipper

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things I know...
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 02:55:24 AM »
I know there is NO computer system in the world powerful enough to "listen" (i.e. analyze, record, track or otherwise account for) to all the traffic, cellular or land-line in the US.  Just the meta-data that we kept from international sources (only one collection station) was in the multiple 10's of terabytes per day.  You just can't store that much information much less process it. That information was scanned through on a "as needed" basis.  The rest is dumped so the storage media can be written over continuously.  Keep in mind that my site was only one site receiving data from one site.  There is no way to track your conversations.  It is technically possible to see when and from where and to whom and where a call was placed or received.  You can flag numbers to be stored so that you can get historical use patterns.  However, without a specific authorization (usually a court order), this cannot be against US persons.

You are right, we have given up too many of our rights.  However, systems such as the ones the intel community have in place have prevented many attacks in the past several years AND have accounted for the death/destruction of a whole bunch of bad-guys.  It's great for some E-3 to get the pictures back with boots on dead bad guys heads and a grinning SOF dude with a  thumbs up saying "Thanks for the target!"

Unless you are doing something to give the gubment a reason to watch you, then whatever they have on you is NO MORE than a bigger version of the local phone book.  Maybe your phone is unlisted, think the local cops can't get it with a court order?

Don't know, in some areas I agree with you.  In others, I know a lot of what is going on and I know that there aren't 50,000 analysts sitting around trying to figure out why Joe Smith in Hoeboken called John Jones in Little Rock three times last week.  What they are trying to do is figure out how many calls in how long to how many numbers is statistically relevant enough to throw up a flaf as a possible "network" of bad guys.

The gang MS-13 has a LOT of members in the US.  We can't collect on them.  Should we be able to?  They are in many ways the most violent gang in this hemisphere.  Personally, I say collect on them, prosecute the target, fix, find and kill them just like we do the ragheads.  Without more sophisticated means, we can't do that.  You'll never roll up that gangs leadership without allowing stuff like this.

Of course, if you are worried about your phone number.  No one said it was mandatory to have a phone or for your wife, each kid, and you to have cell phones.

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 05:21:46 AM »
I'm not paranoid, but I know for sure that the paranoids are out to get me!
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