Lead In Stock To Reduce Recoil

[rms4570hr]

I know putting lead in the stock reduces recoil but how much do you add weight wise and how would it effect the balance of the gun.




rms270hr

[darat100]

I actually used a 3 pound bottle of copper bb's.  By using copper I was able to fill it completely full.  You would be surprised.  Since these guns are so barrel heavy, it seems more balanced to me.

Good luck

[rms4570hr]

I actually used a 3 pound bottle of copper bb's.  By using copper I was able to fill it completely full.  You would be surprised.  Since these guns are so barrel heavy, it seems more balanced to me.

Good luck

   Never thought about useing copper bb's hmmm be about like using lead and would be EZ to fool with to.You would think with these gun's weighing 7 pounds that they wouldn't recoil so bad i know the heavier the gun the less recoil you have.I had a friend try to sell me an old 12 gauge single shot H&R shotgun for $50.00 he let me shot a number 6 high brass and i thought a mule had kicked me i have never seen a shotgun that kicked like that one did i think it loosend my teeth a little.


rms270hr

[darat100]

Yeah, I had been trying to find a way to shoot my 30-06 comfortably.  As I am sure with everyone else, I have never so much as felt it when shooting at a deer, but it just isn't any fun to practice with.  And with no practice, not the confidence in the woods.  I didn't notice as much reduction as I would have liked, but like I said, I do think it is more balanced.

[rms4570hr]

Yeah, I had been trying to find a way to shoot my 30-06 comfortably.  As I am sure with everyone else, I have never so much as felt it when shooting at a deer, but it just isn't any fun to practice with.  And with no practice, not the confidence in the woods.  I didn't notice as much reduction as I would have liked, but like I said, I do think it is more balanced.

     I think i might try the bb's in my stock when i get my rifle back from the factory.I shot a H&R ultra hunter .270 it has a little recoil but not to bad when i first got it i did the JB bore job on it and then went to the shooting range and put about 60 round through it needless to say i could feel it the next mourning   the 3 extra pounds of bb's in the stock might help a little with the recoil when i get my ultra back from the factory with the 45/70 Gov't barrel on it.

[quickdtoo]

You won't get 3lbs of BBs in a laminated stock, about 2lbs of lead is all it will hold. The hole is 7/8" in diameter, a ¾" copper water pipe poured full of molten lead works about as good as anything, it can be installed for bench work and removed for hunting, if you choose, since the laminated stocked ultra is better balanced than the synthetic or pallet wood stocked rifles. Cut the pipe so it has the same angle as the butt and just a tad shorter and use a piece of leather to hold it in place so it doesn't rattle.

Of course you could also add a 1lb mercury recoil reducer if you want to spend a little money. MPC has the best price I found.

http://www.mpcsports.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=245

On synthetic stocks, an old sock filled with lead shot works good.

Tim

[dk17hmr]

I actually just did this on Saturday night.  I took a 3/4" copper pipe put it in the hole in the butt of the stock marked it with a marker cut it off.  Then I started my melting pot as the lead was melting I put a 1/2 steal rod about 4 inches long into the pipe with a chunk of steal wool in the end to keep the lead from coming out.  Once the lead was melted I filled the pipe.  All together with my .50 caliber Huntsman Barrel the rifle weighs in at close to 10 pounds.  It really balanced the rifle out well for me.

I didnt need the added weigh for the 50 caliber but I will be getting a 45-70 barrel soon and want to be able to shoot heavy loads with out alot of hurt on my shoulder.  Plus my girlfriend will be able to shoot the 243 barrel I will also be getting with out alot of recoil.

dk17hmr

[darat100]

Quick and dk, I am sure you guys have a much more accepted manner than my bbs, but what you went through sounds like a lot of work compared to the bbs.  (and my ultra came in a little over 10lbs.)

worked well for me.

[Ranger J]

I found that eight Brown Bess musket falls, with cotton patching would just fill the hole.  Of course this only weighs about eight ounces.  This has really tamed .308 and 45/70 loads and as I have said many times I don’t enjoy recoil anymore.   I have the copper tube cut to try it but haven’t had the time to pour the lead yet.
RJ

[quickdtoo]

If you've got a bunch of soft lead roundballs, they can be swaged into a pipe with a hammer, I did one that way, found a piece of 7/8" tubing in my shop, just kept putting .50, .54 and 62 caliber roundballs in it and hammering them tight with a rod that just fit inside it until it was packed full. No lead poured, it weighs just over 2lbs.

Tim

[FirstFreedom]

I believe that copper-colored BBs are made of steel, not copper.

[dk17hmr]

Either way sounds like it works...I melted the lead into the pipe mainly because I was bored I actually thought about bb or pellets in a pipe and then packing the ends but I didnt have that many on hand but I did have a copper pipe a steal rod and lead so thats what I used.

Do your bbs make noise in the butt stock? or do you have them packed in there that good?

Dk

[darat100]

The one container was enough to fill the stock full and have not rattle.  Just did a little shaking every now and then as I filled it to make sure they all settled, worked perfectly.  Took about five minutes total.

[Ten Ring]

I need to do something to my wifes 45-70, I was thinking of using the weighted pipe and filling the void of the synthetic stock with krazy foam. I hate that hollow sound.
Jim

[quickdtoo]

Dunno about crazy foam, but I filled a stock of a CVA Staghorn with expanding building foam, it just kept expanding until it ruined the recoil pad, so use it sparingly! I prefer to use styrofoam shipping "peanuts" they're cheap and won't cause a problem, just pack em in, they deaden the stock about as much as possible.

Tim

[Ten Ring]

quickdtoo
I took your advice and used the peanuts on my wife's stock. I packed the stock to about a inch and a half from full,put a pound of lead bars in then filled to buttplate.  time will tell if she can shoot it. She handles a 270 well.
Jim

[quickdtoo]

:toast:  :grin:

[Fred M]

Rifles and shotgun handle best with most of the weight between the hands. The balance is mostly near the hinge pin but with a slight weight advantage up front.

Find the center between the hands and tape a broom stick accross  that point set the rifle on a couple of blocks or what have you..

Hook a trigger scale into the rear sling stud  and pull down until the barrel is level with the table. Read the weight andeduct 10%. That is the amount of lead you need in the stock.

Unlike mules you should not kick women and then burden them down with lead.  

[Ten Ring]

Thanks for the tip on balancing. The reason I had to put the lead so far back was that I removed the stock and replaced it with a youth model syn. one. This helped her with the lop but made it very barrel heavy.
Jim

[georgeld]

I've never shot one of these guns yet.
But, am planning to buy a 'set' soon as I can decide which model can be had with what barrels.

Some yrs ago I bought a CVA .54 w/plastic hollow stock.  It was muzzle heavy and kicked me in the face and had quite a nasty recoil too.

Gunsmith couldn't add a pad because there wasn't any solid surface to mount it to.

I intended to fill it with fiberglass resin and some cast bullets. but, found the resin can had hardened due to lid not sealed right.

Just jammed a 1# lead ingot in, under the buttpad.  Darned if that didn't take it to 8# from 7#, balanced ahead of trigger guard and tamed both the recoil and the face kick all at the same time.

I'd bet something on this order would work with one of these type guns too.

What amazes me most is:  light wt guns, short barrels, magnums then whine and cry when it kicks.

I've found what tames a gun's recoil best is:  long barrel min 26", 10# wt, balanced under magazine/chamber area, good pad, and good fit of stock to shooter.  THEN IF: it still kicks too hard, mercury capsules until it's tamed.

Good shootin,

Georgeld

[rms4570hr]

I've never shot one of these guns yet.
But, am planning to buy a 'set' soon as I can decide which model can be had with what barrels.

Some yrs ago I bought a CVA .54 w/plastic hollow stock.  It was muzzle heavy and kicked me in the face and had quite a nasty recoil too.

Gunsmith couldn't add a pad because there wasn't any solid surface to mount it to.

I intended to fill it with fiberglass resin and some cast bullets. but, found the resin can had hardened due to lid not sealed right.

Just jammed a 1# lead ingot in, under the buttpad.  Darned if that didn't take it to 8# from 7#, balanced ahead of trigger guard and tamed both the recoil and the face kick all at the same time.

I'd bet something on this order would work with one of these type guns too.

What amazes me most is:  light wt guns, short barrels, magnums then whine and cry when it kicks.

I've found what tames a gun's recoil best is:  long barrel min 26", 10# wt, balanced under magazine/chamber area, good pad, and good fit of stock to shooter.  THEN IF: it still kicks too hard, mercury capsules until it's tamed.

Good shootin,

Georgeld

    Yeah i have been looking at the mercury filled recoil reducer's i have never used one but for something that cost $40.00+ i wonder if they work?

rms270hr

[Hammerspur]

I have weighted the stocks of several with a section of steel rod as some factory guns come equipped... not for recoil absorbing but balance. I've also found that some models balance better if the factory weight they came with is removed. Stock heavy seems even more awkward to me than muzzle heavy.

For recoil abatement during extended bench sessions some temporary remedy works better for me, if needed.

I don't remember ever perceiving any significant recoil when firing at game, and the report seemed like I'd shot off a .22 LR! There is a name for that phenomenon, but I can't recall what it is just now.

[georgeld]

I agree that it don't make much sense to spend $40
on a mercury capsule to install in a $100 gun.

BUT: that's the way I'd go about taming a kicker
no matter what type, brand gun it was.

So far, I haven't had to put one in yet. The other things
mentioned have tamed the guns I've worked on.
Am building a monster that WILL be a brute kicker
a .72 cal m/l. Gun will weigh around 12-14#, barrel
alone is a full 7# and 38" long. stock will be half again
as big all the way around as a normal classic, and hard
maple.

Barrel maker said to figure for a max load: 1400gr slug
w/250grFFg.
Whole different animal than anything I've been around.
Hope to use it on elk someday. Just something to test my
recoil reducing ideas mostly.
George

[Mac11700]

I agree that it don't make much sense to spend $40
on a mercury capsule to install in a $100 gun.

I don't know of any new Ultra Handi's that just cost $100... :wink:

Spending additional money for something that makes it more enjoyable to shoot and can easily be transfered to another rifle is worth $40 to me..I've spent a-lot more for things that didn't work well in my life.Quicks way of doing it is a pretty easy fix..

The hole is 7/8" in diameter, a ¾" copper water pipe poured full of molten lead works about as good as anything, it can be installed for bench work and removed for hunting, if you choose, since the laminated stocked ultra is better balanced than the synthetic or pallet wood stocked rifles. Cut the pipe so it has the same angle as the butt and just a tad shorter and use a piece of leather to hold it in place so it doesn't rattle...and if molten lead is a problem..If you've got a bunch of soft lead roundballs, they can be swaged into a pipe with a hammer, I did one that way, found a piece of 7/8" tubing in my shop, just kept putting .50, .54 and 62 caliber roundballs in it and hammering them tight with a rod that just fit inside it until it was packed full. No lead poured, it weighs just over 2lbs.

..I've used lead bird shot and just filled up the hole and cut a piece of foam and cardboard to coverit..add a small piece of tape and screw the recoil pad back on..it's very messy when time to remove it..and shot usually winds up all over the place...I have also used some 12ga casted slugs..I can't remember how many fit in there..but they fit real good too..and added a little shot to pack it all in..

The removable type either ho-made or store bought seems like the best to me...

Mac