Alligator Gar and Snapping Turtles on the Pond

[jamaldog87]

that right!!!!!    when i kill the staring and crows when they get in large numbers and cause lot mess other people who have never seen 80,000 birds in one place call me a poacher. Try saying that when you can't hear the T.V. when it all the way over the birds.

[victorcharlie]

I
I think they are on the endangered Spicies list now anyway,
so it may be a Federal Offense to harm them now.

I've spent the last 30 minutes or so and I cannot find a web site that shows the common snapping turtle nor the alligator snapping turtle either threatened nor endangered.  Most sites say the longest living alligator snapping turtle in captivity lived 70 years but are believed to live to around 100 years in the wild.  They are considered a pest in some areas according to some sites......

Am I wrong on this?

[dukkillr]

Alligator snappers are considered endangered in some areas and threatened in some areas.  They have been listed on the CITES treaty as a result of habitat loss and "hunting".  

They are listed as "threatened" in Kansas and "Rare" in Missouri.  Both states bar hunting, trapping, or otherwise taking of them.

[victorcharlie]

so....how many endangered lists are there.......Isn't there one list?   Why can't I find this?

[Graybeard]

The turtles folks are shooting on their ponds and calling "snapping" turtles are NOT the Alligator Snappign Turtle. The ones being shot are NOT in short supply. If they were there are enough in the beaver pond across the highway from me to resupply the world.

[1armoured]

We seem to have lost the plot here,

and we have the inevitable Republican/Democrat and Yankee/Confederate war all over again.

Doesn't take long for it all to surface, and the insults to start flowing.

I'm a Conservative Southerner too,........ but a bit further South of Texas.

I even own a Confederate flag, purchased as a bandana/neck-kerchief in Louisiana, and a Condederate flag pin on my shooting hat.

However, whatever your views on killing for sport, eating what you kill, conservation, et al,
we need to show a bit more respect for what we shoot and hunt,
.......... that's the key word......     R E S P E C T  !!!
Some of them have been around a lot longer than us.

Not hard or difficult to do.

I have seen it in New Zealand, South Africa and Europe where I have lived, and hunted, and which I am citizen of.

Tell me you do the same in the U.S. of A., please.

The answer is shooter and hunter education, and robust discussion, without the insults.

And any Wanker that calls me a liberal PC tree hugging do-gooder college boy Yankee anti will get their lights punched out,
if they care to call.

Have a nice day y'all,
and,
don't forget,
Respek 'mon,....Respek !!!

Sean in 'godzone'

[lefty o]

make a phone call to your local game officials, see what they say. so exactly where does this yankee/confederate crap come from. do you feel inferior and have to dredge up a conflict that happened long before anybody posting on this forum was ever born? W TF?  

actually, i tell ya what. you call your local game officials tell him what your problems are, see what he says. then give me his name and phone #, and if im wrong i'll apologize. just because you own the land, does not mean you own the wildlife on it, or have the right to kill them at will.

[dukkillr]

just because you own the land, does not mean you own the wildlife on it, or have the right to kill them at will.

This is an accurate statement of law but remember, if you don't like the law you can just ignore it and create your own law in it's place.  When questioned about why/how you do this you can spout crazy pseudo constitutional arguments that are neither accurate nor well developed.  Haven't you ever been on internet chat rooms before?  :lol:

[victorcharlie]

actually, i tell ya what. you call your local game officials tell him what your problems are, see what he says. then give me his name and phone #, and if im wrong i'll apologize. just because you own the land, does not mean you own the wildlife on it, or have the right to kill them at will.

Please call the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency Region III office at 1 800 262-6704 and ask for Ms.  Brenda Carr.

Per Ms. Carr, it is legal for a landowner to shoot turtles out of his pond.

[Keith L]

Per Ms. Carr, it is legal for a landowner to shoot turtles out of his pond.

Shooting in the water with any type of firearm to injure or take fish or turtles is prohibited.

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/fish/basiclaws.html

You may want to get Ms. Carr's statement in writing.  Your local warden may disagree and you will be in for a hassle.

Good luck to you and enough of this post.

[victorcharlie]

Keith.....your a bigger man than that......I'm very sorry if I've hurt anyone's feelings.......I truly am......I try to look for the positive in a man.....some always look at the negative.......

Every man should alway be treated with the dignity he deserves.  I have offered solid proof that I am no poacher and have a legal right to shoot turtles out of my pond.  I've bore the brunt of vicous attacks to my character and been accused of violating a game law and labeled a poacher as well as being told I have an inferiority complex and that's all you have to say?

You say that politics don't come into play but who do you think appoints the people that set the game law?

I promise you.....if you apologise you'll feel better......and even if you don't, I forgive all of you.....

Lesson learned......don't be so quick to judge......

[dukkillr]

I just looked at the law myself.  It appears clear that shooting turtles in the water in Tennessee is illegal.  I don't see any wiggle room in that statement.  I'm confused as to why you are asking for apologies?

[victorcharlie]

I just looked at the law myself.  It appears clear that shooting turtles in the water in Tennessee is illegal.  I don't see any wiggle room in that statement.  I'm confused as to why you are asking for apologies?

You are right it is against the law to shoot turtle on pubic property.  I suggest you call Ms. carr and Ask her if a fellow has snapping turtles in a pond on his property is it against the law to shoot them?

Why, after I comply....and call the TWRA myself......give you the answer, tell you where to verify it you still feel compelled to tell me I did an illegal act.  The key is private property......as well it should be.....thank god I still live in a State that hasn't lost all sanity yet.......

There appears to be no reasoning with you guys.......If I was wrong, I'd tell you so and beg your forgiveness.......

I'm not wrong, and still asked forgiveness if I might have offended anyone......

Dukkiller......did  you call the number and ask for Ms. Carr?

At some point you guys need to be reasonable.....I did nothing wrong except allowed myself to be manipulated into a debate that no matter the truth you refuse to accept it.......

[nomosendero]

If I was an Alligator Snapping Turtle in Kansas, I would feel "threatened"
too. I think it might be better to be further South & have some water to
swim in.  

[victorcharlie]

As for asking for an apology......the slanderous nature of being called a poacher when in fact it isn't true would require a gentleman to apologise.

Fact is....you fellows are so blinded by the fact that you think you know more than you do that you can't accept the truth.

Another thing....if your looking here:  http://www.state.tn.us/twra/huntmain.html

This is not the law....this is a guide......The law would start with Tennessee Code anointed xxxx.xxx

Your all experts though arn't you?

Hipocrits........

I really feel sorry for you.......