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Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« on: May 18, 2006, 07:27:50 PM »
The following information is taken from an article in May 17, 2006 issued of the Sacramento Bee.  The article says the California Highway Patrol will be purchasing 9,700 new S&W Model 4006TSW for .40 caliber autoloaders. The new pistols will be replacing older S&W .40 Caliber autoloaders.  The deal is worth 6.6 million dollars.  The value of S&W stock went up .32 cents a share.

S&W says some of the current CHP autoloaders have fired over 100,000 rounds.  S&W will be taking the older pistols as trades and S&W will be giving California 1.3 million credit for the old guns.  

The article says that the Cincinnati Police Department has order 1,100 of the M&P9 polymer pistols.





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I can remember when the CHP switched to the .40 S&W.  Many felt bad about giving up the old .357 but they made the adjustment.  From what I have heard the .40 S&W has served them well.

S&W had worked with the CHP to have a pistol that meet CHP requirements.  I believe that put S&W ahead of others on this new contract.  Sig was unable to meet those requirements.

Back in the days that I was carrying a Sig 220 (.45)on the job there was a couple of S&W model 475S (.45) pistols around for testing.  If an officer liked the 475S they had the option to carry one.  I did not care for it.  It was muzzle heavy and did not feel as good as the Sig.  

In many cases an officer does not have a choice of caliber or brand of duty weapon.
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Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2006, 06:21:44 AM »
Some years back our S.O. changed from S&W mods. 66 to the sigs. The officers had first option to by the smith's. All but 3 optited to by thier old smiths back. I was helping out in the local gun shop and the officers made it clear they wanted their orig smiths back as they had, had some sort of tun e up work done. A lot of them complained about having to go to the semi's, but this is what the new Sheriff wanted.

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Re: Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 04:53:26 PM »
The SacBee has been investigating the award of this contract to S&W.  While the CHP says there was a competitive bid, in truth that seems to be a stretch.  If there was any wrong doing it appears to fall in the lap of the CHP and not S&W.  Sig is now suing the State because of this deal.  I expect those pistols will be very expensive by the time they are in the field.  The CHP seems to have problems when it comes to purchasing.  The last two contract disputes were over cars and motorcycles. 

It seems the CHP did zero testing and ignored some internal concerns, but if you do not test you cannot find the best weapon for the job.  Just listen to the sales people.  So they may not be purchasing the best weapon for the job.  As a believer in Sigs, I known I prefer the Sig from years of carry.  S&W may take a bum rap for this contract.
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Re: Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2006, 11:34:42 PM »
Quote from: Siskiyou on July 12, 2006, 04:53:26 PM
As a believer in Sigs, I known I prefer the Sig from years of carry.  S&W may take a bum rap for this contract.
S&W's third generation autoloaders have come a long way and their TSW line can go toe to toe with SIG. As a matter of fact, since they have a manual safety and SIGs do not, the S&W's might be an even better choice for uniform carry than SIGs.

I read several stories about bad guys getting a cop's gun away and pulling the trigger and nothing happening because the safety was engaged. If they would have been armed with SIGs, they would have been shot but because the S&W's have a manual safety, before they had a chance to figure out how to disengage the safety, the LEO was either able to regain control of his gun or shoot the badguy with a back-up gun.

Yeah, I know. With properly weapons retention, this should never happen but apparently it does and the manual safety on the S&W's can apparently  make a big diffference. Now if we're talking about guns issued to either detectives or desk bound  admiistrators who are required by regulations to be armed but rarely have a reason to discharge a weapon in the line of duty, I would pick SIGs DAK line -- 229s for the detectives and 239s for the desk bound  admiistrators ... both in .40S&W.

The SIG DAKs have a repeat striker capability which is lacking on S&W's DAO models ... both companies have something to offer to the LEO community.
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Re: Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2006, 08:09:33 AM »
A court says that S&W can deliver the guns because a "stay" on delivery could cause major harm to S&W who has already manufacture arms to fill the contract and S&W could not find a purchaser for the already manufacture firearms.

As a side note the CHP says that many of its old pistols that are being taken in trade are worn out and not safe duty weapons.  The assumption is these trade-ins will be sold on the civilian market. 

There are a lot of pros and cons on the S&W safety.  I have not handled the current generation of S&W autoloaders so I cannot address operational impact on the carrier.  I never felt at a disadvantage with the Sig, the same risk came from carrying a revolver on the job.
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Re: Highway Patrol buys 9,700 M4006TSW pistols
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2006, 12:02:50 PM »
Quote from: Siskiyou on July 15, 2006, 08:09:33 AM
I never felt at a disadvantage with the Sig
Neither have I. Which is why for concealed carry I prefer the 229/239 DAKs (229 in colder weather and 239 during the warmer months) for concealed carry instead of the S&W models.

Quote from: Siskiyou on July 15, 2006, 08:09:33 AM
the same risk came from carrying a revolver on the job.
This is true which is why the S&W safety adds one EXTRA cushion layer.
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