Bush, Congress tell working folk to go to hell

[FWiedner]

Don't know how many of you folk read Lou Dobbs, but he makes some strong and obvious points.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/23/dobbs.may24/index.html

I don't know where any of you stand on the socio-economic ladder, but I guarantee you that nothing GW Bush is doing is going to help you, your children, or your grandchildren.

 :evil:

[magooch]

Oh yeah, good ole Lou Dobbs--now there's a fine objective source.  Pull your head out FW.

President Bush's policies have saved me thousands in income taxes and I suspect you too have benefitted from the same.  And to date we haven't suffered another terrorist attack since 9/11.  That in itself is far beyond what anyone would have believed possible.

If you think there will ever be an administration that will do everything to suit you; then you are forever going to be disappointed.

[Cheesehead]

9-11 happened on GW's watch as well as 3 bucks a gallon of gas not to mention the Iraq quagmire.

Cheese

[FWiedner]

"Objectivity" is what has allowed our nation to be invaded by millions of illegal alien nationals intent on our national destruction.

"Objectivity" is what allowed the passage of the "Patriot" Act, because national security is so much more important than personal privacy.

"Objectivity" is what allowed McCain-Feingold to become law, because it's more important to get the media version of the candidates message than any other sort of critical analysis.

"Objectivity" is the root of the Kelo v. New London decision because the Supreme Court thought that maybe bureaucrats know better how to use choice property than any private owner.

"Objectivity" is allowing a tyrant administration to strip our nation of rights, traditions, and property.

"Objectivity" permits a criminal administration to continue to engage in criminal activity.

"Objectivity" is the creed of oppression.

"Objectivity" is the excuse lazy, stupid people use so that they don't have to show any guts or actually stand behind any significant belief.

"Objectivity", in this case, has worn out it's welcome as any sort of a useful tool, and has been turned into a bell to call in the sheep.

 :evil:

[victorcharlie]

Fw.....I couldn't have said it better myself.

George Bush and his administration are Fascist.

Funny thing is, I've voted solid Republican all my life.....

So.....give them the whitehouse, the senate, and the house and what do we get?

[ms]

I see some are on the gravytrain it's all about there money. What the hell who cares if the country in debt we got a little tax break. while this war drags on the poor and middleclass kids are dieing. bushes friends are making lots of money. The way I see thing are the rich  mess thing up in life the lower class cleans up the mess in life.  Then get's on tv and tell us where were going wrong in life. They set all the rules for us to play by. But the rules don't count for  them.  :-D

[magooch]

As long as we're being cute, I guess that "objectivity" is blaming everything including the weather on the President and the Republicans.

The present administratiion and party in power do deserve the blame for some things, but they also deserves credit for some things.  Unfortunately, not everyone agrees on which things deserve credit and which things deserve blame.

I'm just happy to have a government that has not made it their duty to remove our 2nd Amendment rights.  If anyone thinks that would/will be the case if the Dumbycrats gain power--good luck.

[Keith L]

I'm just happy to have a government that has not made it their duty to remove our 2nd Amendment rights.

The way our other rights are under fire what makes you think that 2nd amendment rights are safe?  I think they are just a little further down on the list.

[FWiedner]

You should think very long and very hard about the current state of the nation, and then think again, about whether or not this government does or does not have a plan in place that includes a direct assault on your right to keep and bear arms.

They will come for the guns, it's only a matter of time.

 :shock:

[Keith L]

Way down on their list is disarmnent, but that function is reserved for the demo-liberalist agenda anyway.

Don't bet on that.  Once upon a time a warrant was needed to spy on American citizens.

[WylieKy]

Ok, so.....

1. Iraq.....We have suffered fewer losses in 3 years of war, than in any single full year in Vietnam, or on D-Day alone.  Not bad, in my book.  I think our heros are performing superbly, and the leadership must not be too bad.  

2. Gas.....President Bush did not make people that live in the suburbs buy Suburbans, Tahos, F-350s, etc...that get 8 miles a gallon.  This is a suply and demand issue Replace the unnecessary guzzlers with a Focus and gas would be $.80 a gallon.  Now, I don't think there should be a law against emulatiing your favorite NASCAR hero, but you are going to pay.  As long as we buy it, they are going to charge it, and the government of the United States has no right to demand they charge less.

3. Illegal immigrants....Were a problem long before Bush, and will be a problem long after Bush.  At least something is being done.  And for those of you that cry foul, and demand a more agressive bill, I think this is the most agressive bill that has a snowballs chance of passing the Democratic gauntlet.


There are some things I do not like about the administration.  There are some things I do not like about President Bush.  There are not many people I have met that I can't find something I don't like if I look hard enough, including myself.

WylieKy

[wtxbadger]

Ditto on the last post.

If you would like to get a better idea on why oil prices are so high go take a look at where most of our goods are made. I believe you will see "Made in China". Their demand for oil to fuel the industrial growth they are in is a major reason for the increase in oil prices. There are other countries that are putting pressure on oil supplies as well. India would be a good example of that.

On the illegals working here, we have been killing off the workforce that could take those jobs being filled by illegals since the 70's(Can we say Abortion!) and paying the remainder that are here and available to sit on their butt(wlefare/foodstamps).

It is far to easy to place blame on one person, than it is to work for change. Politicians will not solve these problems unless you collectively give them marching orders and stifle the noise of small groups that are politically active. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and if you don't act you got no reason to complain.

President Bush has been a disappointment on several issues, and I do not agree with him on everything. Be that as it may, he is not a King and the congress and senate is where things get done.

End of rant.


wtxbadger

[DWTim]

The way our other rights are under fire what makes you think that 2nd amendment rights are safe?  I think they are just a little further down on the list.

Nothing! The 10th was the first to go, then the 2nd. Personally, I'm not responsible for Prohibition, and it was Mussolini who drove the mafiosa into this country, who then took advantage of the liquor black market. I didn't shove the blacks and hispanics in government housing in cities, nor did I kill Kennedy, or attempt to shoot Reagan, or Jim Brady. In fact, I have no criminal record, and I never "accidentally" shot anyone. Yet I bear the brunt of the legal responsibility for all of these things, and I have to state my case if I want to own a firearm, despite the fact that this is a natural right, not one granted by the government.

The 2nd is pretty much done-for, especially considering the brainwashing your children are getting in schools and all the popular media.

[myronman3]

well i voted for w twice,  and i really wish at this point that i had a better option than john kerry.   i used to be bush's strong supporter.  his lack of focus on gas prices,  his refusal to do anything about the border,  and the inablity to crush our opponents makes me not care one bit about him.  trust me,  the lastest move on the southern border with the guard is just a stunt.  he will have them down there powerless to do anything.  

impeach his hind end for all i care.

[Keith L]

I think the gas prices and imigration are just smoke screens to keep us from focusing on the real problems.  We can argue about that stuff and ignore the erosion of liberty.  I wonder what the final objective really is, and who's agenda it truly is.

[victorcharlie]

I think the gas prices and imigration are just smoke screens to keep us from focusing on the real problems.  We can argue about that stuff and ignore the erosion of liberty.  I wonder what the final objective really is, and who's agenda it truly is.

You put one in the X ring there Keith.....I couldn't agree more......

[myronman3]

I think the gas prices and imigration are just smoke screens to keep us from focusing on the real problems.  We can argue about that stuff and ignore the erosion of liberty.  I wonder what the final objective really is, and who's agenda it truly is.

smoke screen nothing.  gas prices directly hurt every american every day, while oil companies make record profits.   if oil companies cut their prices by 20%, they STILL would be making record profits.  

 and immigration?  the single biggest threat to america today comes over that border as we speak.   either terrorists crossing over with God knows what,  or even if it is just illegals coming into this country,  it puts such a strain on our system, and guess who pays for it?  yep,  me and you.  i see 1/3 or my paycheck go to uncle sam.   it isnt going to be long before we would all be better off working under the table,  just like the illegals.  

yes, there are other issues out there,  but these two hit us all on a daily basis, no matter who you are or where you live.

[DWTim]

While I totally agree that Bush is out to lunch on the alien invasion issue, I don't see what he can possibly do about gas prices. The demand is higher world-wide, so OPEC is taking advantage. Iran isn't going to be cutting us a break, Nigeria is a mess, and Saudia Arabia couldn't care less while they sell at home for 60 cents a gallon.

Couple that with Clinton's non-proliferation nonsense in the 90s, and we have more fossil-fuel powered power plants because the nukes are being shut down. Connecticut went from three working reactors to zero in the last decade. Our demand is huge, and our refining capacity is still low. Local drilling isn't going to improve the price, because Alaskan oil isn't the best quality.

So the prices for all petroleum products have gone up, because energy production stagnated or fell while demand went through the roof.

[victorcharlie]

I think we are paying the high price of gas not only because of more demand but because of GW's lack of diplomacy.  His axis of evil speach, while true, didn't play well around the world.....no body likes to be theatened....

We find ourselves very unpopular around the world......and unless we improve our image the price of oil is about the only weapon OPEC has.

I'm trying to follow what's up with oil in South America......could this be a new growth of communism?

The big picture is for a one world government ruled by the large Corporations owned by the super wealthy.....

They look at the world like we look at a monopoly game.  Some won't be happy until they have it all......which requires the indenturement of all of us to them.....this is being accomplished by the aggressive marketing of credit to the masses......the borrower is always slave to the lender....

[Keith L]

Everyone has to focus on what they can.  Our gas price is still low in comparison to most of the world, and the increase is relatively small.  And as was pointed out is contrived and done with the full approval of big oil, our leadership's major supporter.  Imigration across our borders has been going on as long as the borders exist.  It has been supported by the wealthy to provide people willing to work for far less than most Americans can afford to work, and just became a problem when America started to look at other issues with our currend president.  And to date no real terror threat has come across from Mexico that we have been informed of.  No real need, there are to many ways open that are far easier.

But if that floats your boat go for it.

[victorcharlie]

No real theat has come across the Mexican Border?  How far back would you like to start?

Pancho Villa........the rebel general of the Mexican Revolution who invaded US territory and led American soldiers on a wild goose chase all over the harsh Mexican countryside for months.  General John J. Pershing pursued him for months.......

On March 9, 1916, Villa led 1,500 (disputed, one official US Army report stated "500 to 700") Mexican raiders in a cross-border attack against Columbus, New Mexico, in response to the U.S. government's official recognition of the Carranza regime. They attacked a detachment of the [13th US Cavalry], seized 100 horses and mules, burned the town, killed 10 soldiers and 8 of its residents, and took much ammunition and weaponry.

In more recent times:

There are many reports of Uniformed Mexicans crossing the border to aid suspected drug smugglers.

This from an article in the San Bernando Sun:

     The Mexican military has crossed into the United States 216 times in the past nine years, according to a Department of Homeland Security document and a map of incursions obtained by The Sun’s sister newspaper, the Ontario-based Inland Valley Daily Bulletin.

    U.S. officials claim the incursions are made to help foreign drug and human smugglers get into the United States. The 2001 map, which shows 34 of the incursions, bears the seal of the president’s Office of National Drug Control Policy.

    The document states that since 1996, Mexican military personnel have crossed into the following Border Patrol sectors:

        * # San Diego County, 17 times
        * # El Centro, 58
        * # Yuma, Ariz., 24
        * # Tucson, Ariz., 39
        * # El Paso, Texas, 33
        * # Marfa, Texas, eight
        * # Del Rio, Texas, three
        * # Laredo, Texas, six
        * # Rio Grande Valley, Texas, 28.

    Kristi Clemens, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, would not confirm the number of incursions, but said Saturday the department is in ongoing discussions with the Mexican government about them.

    Border Patrol agents say for several years they have reported sightings and confrontations with Mexican military inside the United States.

    “We’ve had armed showdowns with the Mexican army,” said a border agent who spoke on condition of anonymity. “These aren’t just ex-military guys. These are Mexican army officials assisting drug smugglers.”

    In one 2000 incident, more than 16 Mexican soldiers were arrested by border agents in a small town west of El Paso, in Santa Teresa, N.M., after Mexican soldiers fired on the agents, said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council.

    None of the agents were injured in the gun battle, and State Department officials forced the border agents to release the soldiers and return them to Mexico with their weapons, Bonner added.

    “If (Mexico) is going to put military across our border to threaten our guys, and if their own government can’t control it, then we should be treating this as an act of war,” he said.

    In the Tucson sector - where many border agents reported run-ins with the Mexican military - the U.S. Department of Customs and Border Protection formally issued a card to agents with tips on how to deal with incursions by Mexican soldiers.

    The “Military Incursion” card asks agents who come across Mexican soldiers to keep a low profile and use shadows to camouflage and hide.

    Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said the numbers show that suggestions for increasing Border Patrol resources or building a fence along the border won’t do enough to secure it.

    “It is a military problem,” said Tancredo, who supports immigration reform. “We should commit the military to the border - tomorrow. I mean with armor and weapons.”

    Jim Gilchrist, co-founder of the Minuteman Project, a civilian volunteer group that has monitored the border since April, said Congress must address the serious nature of the military incursions.

    “That number is 20 times larger than even the Minuteman Project organizers are aware of,” Gilchrist said, referring to the 216 documented incursions. “But our Congress has turned a blind eye to it because what the American people don’t know won’t bother them - that’s how our representatives think.”

[Keith L]

Small potatoes compared to terror threats such as wmd that we hear about possibly sneaking in.  But like I said whatever floats your boat.

[victorcharlie]

Small potatoes compared to terror threats such as wmd that we hear about possibly sneaking in.  But like I said whatever floats your boat.

For that matter, a WMD hasn't came it a port of call.....so.....guess we shouldn't worry about port security either?

There hasn't been a WMD sneeked into this country by any means.......

I'm trying real hard to understand the logic behind your comment.......

Pretty clear to me that we have some security problems on the southern border......

[DWTim]

On the illegals working here, we have been killing off the workforce that could take those jobs being filled by illegals since the 70's(Can we say Abortion!) and paying the remainder that are here and available to sit on their butt(wlefare/foodstamps).

Wow, I missed this gem!  I absolutely agree!

It started with the migrant workers from south of the border, and then the blacks that fled the South. Both ended up in government housing projects in the big cities, like LA for example, where they passed laws to prevent them from owning property in certain areas. So here we have these barrios/projects, funded enough to keep them from falling over, filled (eventually) with people paid not to work, and historically antagonistic to the police. So they sit there and stew in those neighborhoods with nothing productive to do. Hey! The perfect recipe for gang violence.

As per your quote, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? Here the government pays for huge housing projects complete with free parking. That eliminates any  will to strive for a goal, say, making enough money to own a house. Then they pay 'em enough to not starve to death, but there's no reason for them to go do something productive, so they steal from eachother. Then, in the final act of socialist touchy-feely-ness, Big Brother kills off their young because it'll put too much of a financial strain on his pocketbook.

It's a really screwed-up situation, isn't it? These neighborhoods produce violence with probably something like 500 times the normal average for all the other areas of the country (I'm guessing here - it's probably a lot higher), but the gun grabbers lump us all together when they justify "gun control" legislation. They do the crime, you get blamed. How you like them apples?

[Keith L]

For that matter, a WMD hasn't came it a port of call.....so.....guess we shouldn't worry about port security either?

The point is that there is really little reason to focus on the Mexican border when there are so many huge holes in our homeland security.  That one was picked because it appeals to many people's basic insecurity, and is an easy target to get people off the other topics that our current admistration could have real trouble with.  If you recall  the Bush White House had the answer to ports: give the control to another country.

Sorry if you who don't agree are put of by my opinions, but mine aren't given to me by Rush.  I tend to research and reason, then come to my own conclusions.

[WylieKy]

The only thing I do not like about illegal aliens is that they are illegal.  Most work their fingers to the bone to feed themselves and their family.  This may be an unpopular opinion, but I do not think they are closeted up with Presidents Bush and Fox conspiring for the ruin of the US.  Most are uneducated and just want a job, and I find it hard to find fault.  Especially when I consider that there is an entire subculture in the US that sits around collecting welfare checks, having children with anyone willing, not even considering raising those children or instilling in them any type of responsibility or sense of right and wrong or community.  THAT is the disease.  THAT is what needs to be expunged from our country.  THAT needs to be the priority.  Complaining about the cost of illegal immigration while our country is paying people to have children is like complaining about a flea bite when you are ate up with lice.

[victorcharlie]

For that matter, a WMD hasn't came it a port of call.....so.....guess we shouldn't worry about port security either?

The point is that there is really little reason to focus on the Mexican border when there are so many huge holes in our homeland security.  That one was picked because it appeals to many people's basic insecurity, and is an easy target to get people off the other topics that our current admistration could have real trouble with.  If you recall  the Bush White House had the answer to ports: give the control to another country.

Sorry if you who don't agree are put of by my opinions, but mine aren't given to me by Rush.  I tend to research and reason, then come to my own conclusions.

No need to be sorry for your opinion......and I do respect it.......

Giving control of our ports to a foreign government was not well thought out.......or was it?  Globalization......diversification.......multi culturalism.........I think he uses the term "New World Order".

To me, the problem with the southern border is the lack of respect it gets.  Like a neighbor who continues to cross your property without permission.....they soon think it's okay.....

I would like to see the southern border secured and the current immigration laws enforced.

I've also got to say that if I were a Mexican, I'd probably already be here....I don't really blame the common folk down there.....but hold both the Mexican government and the US government responsible.

I'd fix the southern border because it not only fixes a security hole, but also the other problems of drug smuggling and illegal immigration as well.  Seems we would get the "most bang for the buck" if we fix it.

I agree there are lots of security holes........which one would you fix next?

[elmer]

Gas prices should be just over $2 a gallon if you base it on inflation and use 1950 as your starting point, but demand has gone up considerably since then. If I look at the major driving forces of gas prices, steel prices, and our economy in general you can not overlook the Bill Clinton / Al Gore push to get China most favored nation status and tranfer technology to them. They are building a city the size of Dallas at the rate of one a month. Building the infrastructure alone consumes a lot of resources and then when the new plants crank up it takes more.

Going back further (now I'm really showing my age) lets look at Jimmy Carter and the windfall tax that was put in place to control prices (as some here would like to do now). That caused some companies that were involved with exploration to go out of business.

Who held up the building of refineries? Everybody wants the gas, but nobody wants refineries in their backyard. When was the last time the EPA approved a request to build one? We have known for decades that we were reaching the limit of our refinery and power plant capacities. Now we could have gone the bioenergy route if we had only started paying $3 a gallon 30 years ago to subsidize it.

Yes we could pass legislation to reduce current profit of the oil companies, but we would pay for it in a few years. They may have record profits but they also have record investment as well. The stockholders return on investment isn't all that great. Reduce it 20% and everybody that has a 401k would be selling the stock probably without even knowing it. How many here know what stock is held by the mutual funds in their 401k?

[Keith L]

Elmer, I don't differ with your point of view, but there is one interesting thing about this gas shortage (driving the price up).  There isn't one apparently.  I haven't heard of anyone not getting all the gas they want as long as they can pay for it.

[elmer]

Keith L,

I have only seen a few times when one or the other of the local stations was out of gas on the weekend, but all of the people I know (family, friend, co-workers, and me) have cut back on our gas usage as a response. I think that if everybody could afford all the gas they were using we would see shortages. I have even changed how I commute to work. I discovered that if I leave for work fifteen minutes earlier that I can cut my commute time considerably and improve my gas mileage. Okay now I drink my second cup of coffee at my desk and checkout my websites.

We have to remember that not all oil company profits come from gas sales.  Take a look at Exxon/Mobil's diversification for example. Look at the income they have from their chemical and plastics. Also, only 27% of their profits are from U.S. sales.