Author Topic: Success with my Renegade (Read 1721 times)

Gregory · « **on:** May 28, 2006, 01:06:16 PM »

Last year I bought a LH TC Renegade 54 cal and tried to find a good PRB load for it without success. Today I shot some loads with the Buffalo Bullets 338 gr Ball-et. I started at 80gr and worked up to a 100 gr load of FFG and I was getting 2" groups at 40 yds.
I think I found a winner!!

mparks · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2006, 03:46:59 PM »

Good deal. I have a .54 Renegade that doesn't do great with round balls either. I use the old 370gr Maxi ball. Cheap to shoot since I have a mould to cast my own.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2006, 03:08:10 PM »

where did you find them ball-ets? i like those too but i was only given a half ful box.

lostid · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2006, 06:06:45 PM »

I shoot a 1-48 twist lyman made rifle.
i shoot 2" groups off-hand all day long at 50 yards using nuthin but PRB. It takes a little study and it takes a little practice.
if you guy's are bound and determined to over-load and over-shoot them TC gun's,,why don't ya try them new Thompsen Center PA Bullets? The Pennsilvannia Ball-et type thing?
Them Buffalo ball-ett's seem to fit the bill,,but the lube on them thing's is awfull!! Man! cain't even load'm with out washin or wiping things off!! :oops:

Gregory · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2006, 12:59:15 PM »

Quote from: lostid

I shoot a 1-48 twist lyman made rifle.
i shoot 2" groups off-hand all day long at 50 yards using nuthin but PRB. It takes a little study and it takes a little practice.
if you guy's are bound and determined to over-load and over-shoot them TC gun's,,why don't ya try them new Thompsen Center PA Bullets? The Pennsilvannia Ball-et type thing?
Them Buffalo ball-ett's seem to fit the bill,,but the lube on them thing's is awfull!! Man! cain't even load'm with out washin or wiping things off!! :oops:

I never posted the PRB loads I tried so why assume I overloaded them? I know that a TC shoots best using lower charges of powder with a PRB. But I did not find one to shoot from this 54. My 50 Renegade does just fine with 70 gr FFG and a PRB. :?

Gregory · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2006, 01:02:29 PM »

Quote from: lostsniper308

where did you find them ball-ets? i like those too but i was only given a half ful box.

http://www.possibleshop.com/ball-bullet.htm

lostid · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2006, 07:24:23 PM »

Quote from: Gregory

I never posted the PRB loads I tried so why assume I overloaded them?

Well cause you said:

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Today I shot some loads with the Buffalo Bullets 338 gr Ball-et. I started at 80gr and worked up to a 100 gr load of FFG and I was getting 2" groups at 40 yds.
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well, from my experiance thats an overload,, and not the best accuracy avaliable from a 1-48 twist,those/these loads and projectiles arn't nesaccary for large game.( or a "winner") If one learns to shoot accuratly with a patched round ball,,there is no need to "compensate" with larger projectiles and heaver loads of powder. A Deer, Or Elks Or Buffalos Heart, or the"X" is still the goal, I mean?,,aren't we all trying to shoot better?

So I'm sorry,,2" groups off hand at 50 yards with PRB all day with game getting loads, IMHO is better than overloading,, I just said"try them TC pennsivannia ball-ett things they sell'' jees'! at least them things don't have that "greasey wax/gunk on'm like Buffalo Bal-etts'.

Gregory · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2006, 02:31:47 PM »

Quote from: lostid

So I'm sorry,,2" groups off hand at 50 yards with PRB all day with game getting loads, IMHO is better than overloading.

For the record, I test loads from the bench, because I'm not that good of an offhand shooter. I want to test the loads , not my shooting ability. Heck, shooting my scoped 22LR at 63 yds I'm not 100% on clay pigeons! :grin:

So from the bench, my best PRB load, in the 54, was 70 gr FFG, a .526 ball, and a 0.020 patch and three shots went into 1 5/8" at 40 yds. And this load was snug going down the bore. I shoot a PRB out of my 50 cal with 70 gr FFG and I will use it before this load in the 54 for deer hunting. both for the easier loading and better ballistics.

My goal for this 54 cal gun is not a target load, but a big game hunting load, meaning game bigger than deer.

Who sells the TC Pennsylvania ball-ett ? I see Maxi-Hunters and Maxi-Balls on the TC web site.
I don't have a problem with the lube on the Ball-ets. But I swab every other shot.

lostid · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2006, 03:45:15 PM »

Quote from: Gregory

My goal for this 54 cal gun is not a target load, but a big game hunting load, meaning game bigger than deer.

What's the differance?
I guess we'er just from different schools. I use a .530 ball,(weighed and measuerd) .021 patch, cut at the muzzle,(lubed just proper) ahead of bout' 80 grs 2f, of a sporting grade powder. I hit my target, most tymes..(knock on woood)(got provance before others)..I guess I just didn't know there was a differance tween' paper targets an meat targets, sorry.
T/C changed their web site since last tyme I seen it. They made a half/ball,,just too fill the pa market just like they made a stainless steel flint lock,,,

LOG EYE · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2006, 10:07:30 AM »

Just a little comment about 54 PBR Renegade 2F loads greater than 80gr.
I shoot paper competition matches out to 100yds and saw a great scattering of shots :eek: . I happened to read an article in Muzzleblast
concerning PBR's shot faster than the speed of sound coming out of the sound barrier as they approach the target. Have you ever seen how a good Knuckle Ball flies from a good pitcher? Well, it approximates what a
PBR starts to do before impact, hence very poor accuracy and percision :x I now use 65gr 2F with 0.020 patch and .530 PBR. Works for me.

Gregory · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2006, 12:33:38 PM »

Quote from: lostid

Quote from: Gregory
My goal for this 54 cal gun is not a target load, but a big game hunting load, meaning game bigger than deer.

What's the differance?
..I guess I just didn't know there was a differance tween' paper targets an meat targets, sorry.

Paper targets don't weigh 500 lbs and they don't have teeth and claws.

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #11 on:** June 26, 2006, 03:18:26 AM »

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I just said"try them TC pennsivannia ball-ett things they sell'' jees'! at least them things don't have that "greasey wax/gunk on'm like Buffalo Bal-etts'.

The stickies are worse with the "Penn Ballet things" (Hornady PA Conicals).

Besides, I never seen them anywhere but in Pennsylvania for 54 caliber MLs.

It sounds like the barrel needed more time and more roundballs to break in. Most barrels of that description could use at east 50 shots to smooth the bore. Just about any ML bullet eventually shoots well at 40-50 yards in just about any gun after break in. The true ML tests start at 75 yards. You will know if you got a good ML when more than one bullet and powder are getting the job done at 100+ yards.

woodswatcher · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2006, 06:13:04 PM »

one of my favorite rifles is a renegade i made from a kit 20 years ago when i was 14.

the gun shoots a 385 gr hbhp buffalo bullet very well..with 90gr of BP or eq. pyrodex.

but for RB i have to tone it down to 60-70 gr of BP or eq pyrodex.
60gr will toast a whitetail..under 50 yards. i havent had a deer go beyond 25 yards after being hit with a RB.

the renegade is a excellent hunting piece.

dodd3 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2006, 02:05:10 AM »

Gregory your load is not an overload if you ring tc and get them to send you there owners manual they list the 54 renagaid at 120 grn of ff and 400 grain maxi as the max safe load.also sam fadala list it as a safe max load. as per his loading manual. right click on the pic and save it to my documents then you can print it ot to read
bernie :wink:

smokepolehall · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:54:52 AM »

My renegade 54 with .530 speer balls with 90gr. Goex 2f and OX-YOKE .018 sq.yard washed one time. Off bench shoots 3" groups and i am pleased with that. Ain't no deer ever going to run off on me if i do my part!

lostid · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2006, 07:29:27 PM »

Quote from: smokepolehall on August 05, 2006, 04:54:52 AM

OX-YOKE .018 sq.yard washed one time.

ox-yoke .018 by the yard washed one time? Where I can I get some? I do have ox-yoke scrap's I use for char cloth,,,,,,?

Idaho Ron · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2006, 02:09:21 PM »

Gregory, check out my post with the 100 yard test. You will see what I have been getting as far as accuracy with a hunting bullet. Ron

smokepolehall · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2006, 10:59:58 PM »

I bought mine from the OX-YOke company, they're out of Milo Maine. ox-yoke originals inc. 34 main st. Reckon they have a web site, just haven't looked it up. Were a good company with good products.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2006, 05:18:50 AM »

Ox-Yoke was bought by Rightnour who also own RMC. They apparently no longer offer the bulk ticking.

Tim

http://www.oxyokeoriginals.com/

http://rmcsports.com/catalog.htm

dodd3 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2006, 03:20:17 PM »

i buy un bleeched irsh calaco and cut my own it is very strong and i dont get burn out ,it is also very cheep .
bernie

lostid · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2006, 07:30:41 PM »

i buy 100% cotton denim. I check what they call "guide fibers" at the end of the fray/cut edge for polyester strands,, it's easy, you can see them. I check for consistant thickness and "crushed" thickness ( that's pressure applied with calipers) then I wash the fabric in hot,,and dry hot! too remove the modern "sizing" chemicals they applie. I'll buy 3-4 yards depending on the cut (48"or36")
OX-Yoke is/was good stuff because of the consistant quality and size of fabric.

Today, I do not believe a person can walk in to any store nation/world wide and buy Ox-Yoke patches in any given thickness and be assuered of the same thickness time after time.
(please note,i did not mention "lube")