Author Topic: Is Glock still the one to beat? (Read 1996 times)

Questor · « **on:** May 30, 2006, 09:24:53 AM »

Are Glock semi autos still the best value in good quality semi autos, or are there comparable guns that are better now? There's been plenty of time for the competition to develop better products; have they?

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2006, 12:25:16 PM »

Those that own them will say yes, those that prefer something else will say no and suggest thier favorite gun's brand even if they'd never even tried a Glock before. I've tried 'em a few times but they just don't fit me. Plus I like a second strike capability. That's not saying they're bad or the best or the worst just my personal opinion having shot them and other makes/models. For the most part, any make/model that's been out any length of time is likely to be a worthy candidate for quality. The cost is what the buyer needs to decide upon. Any gun can have a hiccup, after all it's mechanical. Dollor for dololor you'll usually get what you pay for. Ruger gives a rock solid design with good dependability for an affordable price. On the other end, you've got HK which ofer a high quality package with more refinements for a considerable amount more. Everyone else is in the middle.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2006, 12:35:23 PM »

I never thought much about Glock. I shot a few and was never impressed enough to buy one.

poncaguy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2006, 02:36:48 PM »

I own a Glock 22 40 S&W, it's okay, but I prefer my Rugers, P90,P95, and P345...............and they cost less and are more dependable and rugged.

TommyJ · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:04:29 PM »

I own a glock 19 and have stock in Smith and Wesson. I have an L frame and j frame S&W. The glock field strips with ease and is a combat handgun. The Smith new M&P is being bought by many law enforcement people. I prefer the ease of operation with the glock. 15 plus 1 9mm rounds works for me. TJ :grin:

Heavy C · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:51:45 PM »

I believe a close rival is the line of Springfiel XP's. They took the basic Glock design and enhanced it. They are supposed to be tougher, have just as much fire power, better trigger, and some enhancements on the safety side. If I had to choose, I would go for the Springfield. Just my :money:

Chuck :cb1:

BoneDigger · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:39:54 PM »

I have shot Glocks and SA XD guns, as well as a few others. I can honestly say that my favorite (at least for now) is the Beretta PX4 Storm. It's an awesome gun (mine is 9mm) and cost under $500 at Gander Mountain.

Todd

Savage · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:54:53 PM »

I am not passionate about any polymer service pistol currently in production. I think they are all pretty much servicable. Everyone has gotten on the bandwagon these days and they are a lot of new ones out there. I have not found any on these to be appreciably better or worse than the Glock. The reason I own Glocks is:
Price-------$430 for LE, reliability, simplicity of design and ease of maintaince. Add to that the multitude of parts available at reasonable prices. These are the things that make the Glock standout.
Savage

corbanzo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2006, 06:00:49 PM »

though reliable, I was never overly impressed with any glock I've shot, plus I think they are ugly as sin. And who wants to walk around knowing they're's something ugly in their pocket? :-D :-D I'm in agreement on the springfield XD, I would rather the XD over the glock.

Old Griz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2006, 07:47:29 PM »

:cb2: I think it's way too early to make any decisions about the Springfield. There is nothing out there that has been tested, retested, abused, and tested again, as the Glock. (FBI, et al.) And it has passed with flying colors. The first major clone, the S&W Sigma, was an utter failure. I can't speak for the others. I don't think the Glock is ugly. It's BUTT UGLY. That's why I didn't want onethat is, until I fired it. I rented one at the range, and with my first magazine put 12 out of 13 rounds of .45 ACP (one flyer, my fault) into a hole the size of a quarter. I knew right then that the Glock 21 was the gun for me. Carried it since '93.

The XD and the M&P just haven't been out long enough to evaluate their long term performance and durability. They may be wonderful. Time will tell.

I think it's amazing that Gaston Glock came out with such an incredible, and revolutionary, handgun on his first try. Shades of John Moses Browning!

williamlayton · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2006, 11:44:03 PM »

Personal opinions that are not good points and have no bearing on the discussion:
I do not care for plastic weapons.
I cannot get past some of the functions of Glock weapons (they seem inane to me).
NOW--
Only Glock ever thought they were the the standard for all others to be compared too.
The second strike issue is a very valid thought.
The trigger is a hard one, for me, to ever get used too. I think about the trigger and one should never have need of doing that.
There are better weapons, which are better designs, with as many, or more safty features.
Sigs and HK's are far better, IMO.
Cost is not even a consideration in the context of the conversation.
Glock has had issues with reliability also.
Glock has had issues with KABOOMS.
Blessings

Steve in Michigan · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2006, 06:35:41 AM »

I bought one of the first batch of Glocks to come over in the 80s and I put several thousand rounds through it before I gave it to my son. Glock run great, but I believe they have a serious problem. Even though they have their "safe action" trigger, they are all but safe. Get just a little careless just once and you are in trouble. There have been cases where a LEO has accidentally shot the perp because they were holding them at gunpoint and had their finger on the trigger and it went off. I know, training is key, but you would be amazed and alarmed at how little training or practice LEOs get. Our PD Reserve Unit shot 100 rounds every two weeks religiously and I think you need training like that to really be safe with a Glock or a cocked and locked M1911. There have also been cases where an officer has reholstered his Glock and forgotten to take his finger our of the triggerguard and kaboom! Didn't need that knee anyway. That is a problem I have with ALL pistols that operate like the Glock. I think the Springfield XD offers one more safety with the grip safety.

The best pistols I have owned were a Sig P220, .45ACP; A Ruger P90; and a Beretta 92. All three have never misfed and I think for the average person and also LEOs, the double-action first shot is the best setup. I don't like DAOs in a pistol because they don't allow you to get a rythim like a double action wheelgun. I don't think the transition from double-action to single action is a factor, IF you practice, which you should. If you don't, you are an accident waiting to happen. If you ever have to defend yourself and miss the perp, but hit a bystander or family member, you'll go to jail anyway.

257 roberts · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2006, 11:55:23 AM »

I've HAD 2 Glock 19's and a 26 they shot well but I kept going back to my Sig225, the 19 is the same size as the 225 and if I carry something smaller its a S&W m49

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2006, 12:02:11 PM »

Quote from: Ramos1212

I believe a close rival is the line of Springfiel XP's. They took the basic Glock design and enhanced it.

"They" meaning Springfield didn't do anything. "They" simply put thier name on another manufacturers handgun. T'was the HS2000 before the XD. same gun.

ihuntbucks · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2006, 10:30:14 PM »

SIG.....nuff said............Rick

dcewolf · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2006, 10:01:20 AM »

Personally Glocks just don't fit me well... and yes, I've shot 'em.. they just don't feel right in my hand. I went with the comparable Springfield XD due to fit and I like the 1911 style grip safety -- it seems to be the closest thing out there to the Glock right now.

My favorite gun at this point though is my .44Mag Super Red Hawk. Yeah I know it's big and not good for carry but boy is it FUN to shoot!! :grin:

Bill T · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2006, 03:08:56 AM »

The Glock is still the one to beat, bar none. My wife bought a Model 21 in .45 Auto a couple of months back and has been happy with it. These guns have been torture tested to death 1,000 times over and keep coming up for more. To me the rest of the Polymer guns are just copys trying to cash in on the success of Glock. Bill T.

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2006, 06:35:49 AM »

Steve, keeping your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot is a MUST DO for ANY gun. The fact that SOME people mishandle a firearm should not be an argument against any particular brand. I've unintentionally fired a gun but I didn't blame the Kimber, I blamed myself for not following basic handgun safety. Perhaps the design of the Glock makes it easier, somehow, to mishandle the gun? That does not seem logical to me, but then again I've never had a Glock in my hand so I can't really make that call. Anyway, let's all keep committed to safe gunhandling practices (if for no other reason than to not give the antis ammo to use against us).

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2006, 04:34:59 PM »

I GUESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY ONE ALL DAY THE POLIMER WEAPONS HAVE THEIR PLACE.
SHOOTING A GLOCK FELT TO ME LIKE PLAYING BASEBALL WITH A CRACKED BAT THOUGH. I LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE WEIGHT TO ABSORB SOME OF THE RECOIL.

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2006, 03:54:47 AM »

The only "Standard" that Glock has set is their marketing plan, one of the most inovative you'll ever see. New shooters in particular but shooters in general tend to follow law enforcement agencies in their choices of weapons. Let me put this here: Glock makes a reliable, inexpensive gun. When Glock started their plan, they had to have proof that their guns were not Saturday Night Specials, so they made a lot of "Test Material" available and were almost giving them away to larger agencies and selling them at prices below the previously mentioned "SNS's" to smaller agencies. Other manufacturers got caught with their pants down and Glock quickly became a weapon of choice for many. Glock does make an inexpensive, reliable gun at a price that anyone that really wants a handgun can afford. Does that make it the "Standard" all others are judged by? NO! No more than saying that the Winchester 94 is the weapon that ALL hunting rifles are judged by! If you have a Glock, WONDERFUL!! That's one more person I can share shooting experiences with, another person to help defend the rights of gun owners and, for me, another person to share reloading experiences with. If you like your Glock, even better! The more likley you'll keep it, get another, shoot more become more profecient maybe decide to start carrying, which makes me, as an American citizen, a little safer. I hope you end up with a large collection of them, I really do! BUT! Don't be lulled or misled into believing that it will ever be anything more than a Glock.
The old adage of "You get what you pay for" isn't always true, in the past Glocks were priced in such a manner that it was but their popularity has allowed their prices to inflate disproportionately. Now I'm not so sure.
Some people could care less about the subtle differences that make for a quality weapon but that in no way changes the fact that quality is quality and Glock doesen't come close to setting that standard.

williamlayton · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:58:45 PM »

YUP!
Blessings

rockbilly · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2006, 06:00:29 AM »

Butlerford45. Thats a bullseye! :wink:

corbanzo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2006, 08:57:30 PM »

Oh yes, there is one more thing that glock is responsible for that I forgot about: making limp-wristed shooters the cause of ejection failures, definitely related to glock firearms.

Prebanpaul · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2006, 04:14:55 PM »

WOW, SOME MANY OPIONS ON THIS ISSUE AND I LOVE THEM. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS TO MAKE. THE GUY ABOUT THE MICHIGAN COP. I HAVE SHOT PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBOR HOOD OF 35000 ROUND PLUS OR MINUS A FEW HUNDERED IN SEVERAL GLOCKS OVER THE YEARS. HAVE YET TO HAVE ON ACCIDENTLY GO OFF. FIRST THING YOUR TAUGHT DONT PUT YOU FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR READY FOR IT TO GO BANG. (WHAT ABOUT ALL THE COPS THAT ARE FOUND IN A SHOOT OUT, NEVER TO SHOOT, BECAUSE IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT THE FORGOT TO TAKE THE SAFETY OFF) THE ORIGINAL QUESTION DO THE OTHERS STILL FOLLOW GLOCK THE ANSWER IS YES!!!!!!!! UT OHHHHHH SOMEONE HAS CHALLENGED THIS NOW. SO HERE WE GO. THE 1911 COLT HAS BEEN MODIFIED SINCE WHEN?

EVERY BODY ADDS THERE OWN LITTLE MODS TO THE ORIGINAL GUN. GREAT THEY MAKE IT BETTER TO THEIR SPECS BECAUSE ITS THAT, A PERSONAL PREFRENCE. BUT THE GLOCK IS STILL MODIFIED IN THE SAME WAY AFTER ALL. SMITH BASICALLY DUPLICATED IT WITH THE SIGMA, XD TRIED TO FOLLOW BY ALSO MODIFING THE GLOCK WITH A 1911. THIS IS A POOR IMPRESSION OF BOTH OF THE MOST RECOGNAZIABLE COMBAT FIREARMS IN THE WORLD. THE DESIGN OF THE GUN WAS TO BE LESS MOVING PARTS. ALL XD DID WAS ADD MORE PARTS THAT COULD AND DO GO WRONG. LAST POINT TO THE LIMP WRIST STATMENT. I WORK IN THE A GUN STORE WITH AN INDOOR RANGE AND I HAVE SEEN EVERY GUN THAT IS SEMI AUTOMATIC TYPE JAM DO TO LIMP WRIST. LIMP WRIST IS THE SHOOTER, NOT THE GUN. OHHH ONE LAST POINT UNTIL GUNS ARE MADE OF OF SOMETHING OTHER THAN POLYMER THEY LEAD GLOCKS CHANGED THE FIREARM WORLD THE SAME WAY THE 1911 DID.

Old Griz · « **Reply #24 on:** June 25, 2006, 05:50:11 PM »

:cb2: Except for the hard to read capitals, I agree with Preban.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2006, 01:31:54 AM »

Easy on the CAP's :-D

oso45-70 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 26, 2006, 09:22:04 PM »

ButlerFord and Preban Paul

Not too much to add to your posts, Covered everything that needed to be said. I took my first 22 Gkock out of the box when i took my CCW and had never shot one before and aced the course. Paul the cap,s are hard on the OLD eyes.

You all have a good day......Joe.......

dakotashooter2 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:32:57 AM »

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The fact that SOME people mishandle a firearm should not be an argument against any particular brand.

Why not

?? If the manufacturers can use it as a selling point why can't we critisize it. Glock failed to take into account that if some dummy has his finger on the trigger of a weapon enough to accidentally engage it it will like be in position enough to engage the glock trigger also, as seems to have been proven.

Many people believe everthing they hear as gospel. So when the hear how "safe" the glock is many of the less experienced drop their guard and what shouldn't happen does. The primary fault still lies on the shooter but the stigma of the gun is still partially responsible. My blackhawks with their hammer blocks are safe to load all six chambers but I still treat them like an old colt cause I don't want to get laxed on my safety.

sniperVLS · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:37:39 AM »

If someone gave me a Glock, I'd turn around and sell it and put the $$ toward another Sig. If you cant go Sig, HK would be my next choice with Beretta close behind. I cannot stand how Glocks feel and shoot. If your hand likes it, great, problem solved.

When my life depends on my carry piece, I want/need one that I know will perform and feel 110% comfortable with, and for me only one fits the bill, enter Sig.

.....sounds like a commercial :-D

Old Griz · « **Reply #29 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:57:21 AM »

Quote from: dakotashooter2

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The fact that SOME people mishandle a firearm should not be an argument against any particular brand.

Why not ?? If the manufacturers can use it as a selling point why can't we critisize it. Glock failed to take into account that if some dummy has his finger on the trigger of a weapon enough to accidentally engage it it will like be in position enough to engage the glock trigger also, as seems to have been proven.

Many people believe everthing they hear as gospel. So when the hear how "safe" the glock is many of the less experienced drop their guard and what shouldn't happen does. The primary fault still lies on the shooter but the stigma of the gun is still partially responsible. My blackhawks with their hammer blocks are safe to load all six chambers but I still treat them like an old colt cause I don't want to get laxed on my safety.

What semi-automatic firearm isn't potentially dangerous with your finger on the trigger?