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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2006, 09:29:51 AM »
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Mice? How in the name of heaven did our discussion degenerate to disposing of RODENTS??


What's the difference? Squirrels are rodents and I eat them. I'm sorry Dusty but the way I see it you are trying to pick and chose what YOU think is eatable and what the rest of us should do based on YOUR PERSONAL ethics. I personally do not consider bears or cats as food. I'd shoot one of course given the chance but I'd never eat a bear or a cat.

I have in fact been shooting animals I have/had no intention of eating for the last 55 years and likely will continue to do so until I die. I don't even eat the deer I kill but I do give them to someone who does.

There is no wasted meat in nature. All GOD's creatures gotta eat and if it's not us eating it then some of them will.

You are merely picking and chosing what YOU think is right for all of us. Who died and made you GOD? Not meant as a put down really but as a wake up call. You have not been elected keeper of the ethics for all hunters. We all see things differently. It's folks who can't accept that someone else should be allowed to do things THEIR OWN WAY as opposed to YOUR way that galls me. That's the way the anti's are, they don't hunt or own guns so no one should. I just fail to see how your stance on this is any different in nature than theirs. It's your way or no way regarding shooting critters.

In my opinion it's being rather hypocritical to say you must eat all you kill and then not apply it across the board to EVERYTHING. Who makes your idea of what to eat the best?


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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2006, 10:39:24 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2006, 10:59:38 AM »
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Mice? How in the name of heaven did our discussion degenerate to disposing of RODENTS??


What's the difference? Squirrels are rodents and I eat them. I'm sorry Dusty but the way I see it you are trying to pick and chose what YOU think is eatable and what the rest of us should do based on YOUR PERSONAL ethics. I personally do not consider bears or cats as food. I'd shoot one of course given the chance but I'd never eat a bear or a cat.

I have in fact been shooting animals I have/had no intention of eating for the last 55 years and likely will continue to do so until I die. I don't even eat the deer I kill but I do give them to someone who does.

There is no wasted meat in nature. All GOD's creatures gotta eat and if it's not us eating it then some of them will.

You are merely picking and chosing what YOU think is right for all of us. Who died and made you GOD? Not meant as a put down really but as a wake up call. You have not been elected keeper of the ethics for all hunters. We all see things differently. It's folks who can't accept that someone else should be allowed to do things THEIR OWN WAY as opposed to YOUR way that galls me. That's the way the anti's are, they don't hunt or own guns so no one should. I just fail to see how your stance on this is any different in nature than theirs. It's your way or no way regarding shooting critters.

In my opinion it's being rather hypocritical to say you must eat all you kill and then not apply it across the board to EVERYTHING. Who makes your idea of what to eat the best?


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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2006, 11:09:58 AM »
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BTW, I see that you went to the trouble of looking up one of my old posts...




Dusty Miller I did not look up one of your old posts. But when I stumbled onto your little "factoid" I felt I had to share it.


FYI, Today I was reading an interesting thread about bear hunting, with a lot of good view points expressed by various people and then I happened upon your little admission. Where you admit to no experience bear hunting.
 

And I thought, "Hmmmmmmmm..." or something along those lines...



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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2006, 11:13:32 AM »
Demonical, great bear. I agree with Graybeard also. Your bear, do what you want it is legal. I hate the ethics card being played, it is as insulting as the race card in my opinion. In a lot of parts a black bear is considered and equal to a varmint. I don't eat bear meat myself, I have a buddy that eats it,and he gets all my bear meat. I am more there for the hunt and trophy. There is nothing wrong with trophy hunting. JMHO.  :D
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2006, 12:53:06 PM »
I am much more of a meat hunter than a trophy hunter, though I do admit to shooting varmints for the fun of it. Sure, you could argue that it is good to rid an area of varmints where there aren't enough natural predators... but if I'm being candid, I'm no saint. And I too have taken shots at game, for meat or otherwise, that weren't particularly wise shots... though I view them as learning experiences that I don't want to replay.

So good on you, Demonical. I suspect you're a very good hunter and a good guy and that you could probably teach me more than a thing or two... but please don't try to convince me that you knew the bullet path of the shot you described. Bullets are not that predictable. It's basic physics... to have something traveling and spinning that fast... you just can't predict ricochets and whatnot. At least you had enough firepower that you could reasonably afford not to be spot-on, so that was good planning.
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2006, 02:50:53 PM »
FWIW, I posted this story to celebrate the bear. That's all.

FYI, I am certain the skull is over 21". I actually believe it is 22", but that has already been determined. The bear is dead.

And I'd sorta like it if this thread simply went back on topic to recognize the bear. If you want to debate ethics, start a thread...





Now some more info'... maybe we can get back to topic...



What I never mentioned in my earlier posts...

I hunt moose in that same country and I learned of a huge 7' class black bear that had been seen near my moose camp last Sept. 2005.

Then 3 weeks later, in Oct. 2005, I saw the tracks of a XXL black bear, that measured 6" across the pads on the front and the hind footprints were 6" x 10". It walked right up past my moose hunting camp. Possibly the same bear but that is BIG COUNTRY and there are certain to be other bears as big as this one up there.

So I went in there this last weekend specifically hoping for a crack at the bear that had left those huge footprints.

FYI, I worked nights Friday night, then went up there and hunted all day Saturday. That night I slept in the cab of my truck, without blankets, pillows or anything. I FROZE MY A** OFF that night!! There was ice in the puddles in the A.M. Also since I was so damn cold anyway, I was up at 4:30 A.M. and on the trail at 4:45 after eating 1/2 a dish of cold apple sauce.

So I feel like I paid my dues to get this guy.

I admit that my choice of caliber was critical in being able to anchor this bear, but that is a whole 'nother topic.  Too bad Elmer Keith isn't around to get in on the calibers and bullets discussion!!
 

I just happened to be "Right Place, Right Time..."  I met my chance at fate at 7:55 and the rest is history. It all really feels like it was meant to happen. I literally walked right to the dang thing!!


It Was Fate.



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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2006, 01:07:13 AM »
The premier hunting state of Alaska has a law regarding the retrieval of an animal carcass.  The meat gets packed out first  and the rack or hide comes out on subsequent trips.  There is a very good reason for this, and it is centered on the very unethical practice of shooting animals just for the horns or hide and leaving the meat in the woods.  The folks at PETA and other rabid left anti-gun/anti-hunting organisations just love to get hold of stories about "trophy hunters" who leave the meat behind.  It makes great propaganda for the simple reason that the overwhelming majority of the American populace understand what a reprehensible practice it is.   Its not about rodents, its about hunting ethics.  If we choose to ignore this issue or pretend it is not important then in time we'll see our hunting rights shrink away to nothing and the hunting traditions we all cherish will be gone. It is up to us, we can do something about it.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2006, 02:14:33 AM »
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The premier hunting state of Alaska has a law regarding the retrieval of an animal carcass.  The meat gets packed out first  and the rack or hide comes out on subsequent trips.  There is a very good reason for this, and it is centered on the very unethical practice of shooting animals just for the horns or hide and leaving the meat in the woods.  The folks at PETA and other rabid left anti-gun/anti-hunting organisations just love to get hold of stories about "trophy hunters" who leave the meat behind.  It makes great propaganda for the simple reason that the overwhelming majority of the American populace understand what a reprehensible practice it is.   Its not about rodents, its about hunting ethics.  If we choose to ignore this issue or pretend it is not important then in time we'll see our hunting rights shrink away to nothing and the hunting traditions we all cherish will be gone. It is up to us, we can do something about it.


Dusty Miller with all do respect you are wrong. You need to get your facts straight about Alaskan bear hunting and the regulations of Alaska. There are only certain units and dates that the meat must be salvaged.
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=bearhunt.black_brown

"Salvaging Hide, Skull, and Meat
In any unit in which sealing is required, from January 1-May 31 the hide, skull and meat of a black bear must be salvaged; from June 1 -December 31 the hide and skull must be salvaged. In any unit in which sealing is not required, from January 1-May 31 the meat must be salvaged; from June 1-December 31 either the hide or the meat must be salvaged. You are required to salvage both the hide and skull of a grizzly bear killed anywhere in Alaska, except in the subsistence brown bear management areas where you are required to salvage all meat for human consumption. Meat of Interior black and grizzly bears can be delicious and hunters are encouraged to salvage it as well. Bears, like pigs, can carry a parasite which can cause the dangerous disease of trichinosis. This parasite is killed by proper cooking (above 170° F internal temperature).

Hunters must leave evidence of sex ((censored word) sheath or vulva) attatched to a black or brown/grizzly hide until the hide has been sealed. This is a legal requirement. This information is used in bear research and management.

Sealing Requirements
Black bear taken from Units 1-7, 11-17 and 20 must be sealed within 30 days of the date of kill. Grizzlies from any location in Alaska also must be sealed within 30 days of the date of kill. Bring the hide and skinned out skull to ADF&G or a registered sealer to be examined and sealed. A small tooth (a premolar) will be pulled to obtain age information on your bear. At the time of sealing please make sure the skull is not frozen solid so the tooth can be pulled. If you are interested in learning how old your bear is, call our office in late winter and we can tell you. We will need your name, date of kill, and location of the kill.

Grizzly bears taken in Units 6 (except 6D), 8, 12, 19D, 20D, 20E, or 25D must be sealed before being taken from the unit where it was killed. Exceptions include grizzly bears taken in Unit 20E and northeast 20D must be sealed in that unit or in Tok, and brown bears taken in 6A, B, C must be sealed in that unit or in Yakutat. These sealing requirements give us good information about the bear harvest in these units and help enforcement officers know the bears were actually taken in these units."
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2006, 01:22:18 PM »
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The premier hunting state of Alaska has a law regarding the retrieval of an animal carcass.  The meat gets packed out first  and the rack or hide comes out on subsequent trips.  There is a very good reason for this, and it is centered on the very unethical practice of shooting animals just for the horns or hide and leaving the meat in the woods.  The folks at PETA and other rabid left anti-gun/anti-hunting organisations just love to get hold of stories about "trophy hunters" who leave the meat behind.  It makes great propaganda for the simple reason that the overwhelming majority of the American populace understand what a reprehensible practice it is.   Its not about rodents, its about hunting ethics.  If we choose to ignore this issue or pretend it is not important then in time we'll see our hunting rights shrink away to nothing and the hunting traditions we all cherish will be gone. It is up to us, we can do something about it.


I'm tired of your hi jacking of this thread, start your own poll of hunting ethics and use this as your "case study". if you want.
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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2006, 04:42:25 PM »
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The premier hunting state of Alaska has a law regarding the retrieval of an animal carcass.  The meat gets packed out first  and the rack or hide comes out on subsequent trips.  There is a very good reason for this, and it is centered on the very unethical practice of shooting animals just for the horns or hide and leaving the meat in the woods.  The folks at PETA and other rabid left anti-gun/anti-hunting organisations just love to get hold of stories about "trophy hunters" who leave the meat behind.  It makes great propaganda for the simple reason that the overwhelming majority of the American populace understand what a reprehensible practice it is.   Its not about rodents, its about hunting ethics.  If we choose to ignore this issue or pretend it is not important then in time we'll see our hunting rights shrink away to nothing and the hunting traditions we all cherish will be gone. It is up to us, we can do something about it.




I'm tired of your hi jacking of this thread, start your own poll of hunting ethics and use this as your "case study". if you want.


Gregory, I agree 100%, it does get old. By the way Dusty Miller just how many trophy's do you have one the walls?? If you answer even one, you statements are not valid. A trophy is a trophy and therefor you would be a trophy hunter.  I consider any game I take a trophy, it does not have to be a 10 point buck.
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2006, 04:51:41 PM »
Taxidermy for City Dwellers
Homeowners Try Amadillos, Elk To Warm Up Modern Spaces; Bergdorf's Ostrich, $19,500


 
By TROY MCMULLEN, Wall Street Journal
May 5, 2006; Page W1


Taxidermy, long confined to log cabins, lodges and trophy rooms, is coming to life in some unusual places.


Aiming to help homeowners who want to add warmth to their modern and often-cold interiors, retailers and urban decorators are pushing an unusual solution: stuffed, dead animals. Over the past year, boutiques and high-end department stores have begun adding everything from $450 deer heads to $25,000 zebras. Taxidermy shops report they're selling more pieces to people other than those who shot them. Many members of the new taxidermy class have never picked up a rifle, and are, in some cases, vegetarians.


Since last fall, when Parisian taxidermist Deyrolle teamed up with New York department store Bergdorf Goodman, the store has sold pieces including a $19,500 ostrich. (Offerings on the store's housewares floor also include a $795 black crow and a goose for $2,595.) Deyrolle has also made deals to sell its wares at stationery boutique Caspari in Charlottesville, Va., and French Look International, a home furnishings importer in Chicago. Later this year, Barneys New York will introduce a line of mounted birds -- from $700 exotic finches to $3,400 peacocks -- in its Manhattan store.


Traditional taxidermy shops say they're seeing more interior decorators buying deer and elk mounts. At Adirondacks Reflections in Keene, N.Y., owner Bud Piserchia says he has nearly doubled his staff to 11 from six over the past two years to keep up with demand. There's at least a six-month wait for 12-point buck mounts at Animal Artistry in Reno, Nev. "They fly in here from San Francisco or Seattle to get these things," says Stuart Farnsworth, the store's general manager. "A few years ago, we couldn't give that stuff away."


Cindy Gallop recently looked to the animal kingdom to accessorize her Manhattan apartment, to go with modern furnishings such as a sleek, Italian-made sofa and a 6-foot-long midcentury shaved walnut coffee table. Though the 45-year-old former advertising executive doesn't hunt, she accented her living room with a black bearskin floor rug -- head included -- and a stuffed armadillo. (As for the upkeep, she says, she just vacuums them every few months.) In the home's entryway, by a mirror, hang two deer heads. "It gives the apartment a feeling of warmth," she says.


Using taxidermy as home décor picks up on "hunting-lodge chic," a mostly ironic fad that recently appeared in design-oriented hotels and restaurants. (Philippe Starck lined New York's Hudson Hotel with deer antlers several years ago.) That movement soon spilled over to the mass market, with big-box retailers stocking wrought iron antler candleholders and moose silhouette table lamps.


The aesthetic also plays off the art-world niche of avant-garde taxidermy. There's a rising market in works by British artist Damien Hirst, known for animals encased in formaldehyde: His 1995 "Away From the Flock, Divided," featuring the body of a lamb split in half, sold at auction earlier this month for $3.37 million, a record for the artist. Among the latest works from the Japanese conceptual artist and sculptor Kohei Nawa are shoulder-mounted deer heads covered in transparent glass beads. Last month, he sold four at the Armory Show, an international art fair in New York, for $7,000 to $10,000 each, including one to a Miami interior designer. There is now a waiting list for his work.


Taxidermy chic, naturally, has its detractors. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals considers using animals for decoration a dead-end business. "In the cities where department stores sell these macabre adornments," it said in a statement, "it can be all too easy to forget these were living, feeling beings." Architectural Digest magazine says it does not allow taxidermy in any of its photos. "We like our animals alive," says a spokeswoman.


'It Felt Kind of Fake'


There's no telling how long its popularity will last. John Brommel, owner of the Corner Shoppe Mall, a furniture and antiques store in Austin, Texas, thinks the taxidermy trend resembles one that came and went a few years ago for Southwestern-style accents, such as wagon-wheel coffee tables and live cacti. "You can bet that some people will be stuck with dead stuff they don't want," says Mr. Brommel, who stocks about 400 taxidermy items.


Susan Slavit and her husband, Gerry, considered adding taxidermy to their Wellesley, Mass., home last year. They already had deer antlers and a mounted moose in their Maine vacation place -- they've had them for years -- but decided against it in their suburban home. Instead, they went for antique vases and wood-framed mirrors. "We don't hunt, so it felt kind of fake," says Ms. Slavit.


Some hunters scoff at the notion of nonhunters decorating their walls with animal heads. Alan Chopp has about 200 stuffed animals in his Edison, N.J., home, including a desert mule he bagged in Mexico, a rhino he shot in South Africa and a Siberian Roe Deer he killed in Mongolia, all displayed in a trophy room. "I'm not sure it's worth putting the animals up if you didn't hunt them yourself," says the 57-year-old nursing-home-industry compliance officer.


Cynthia Vincent, a fashion designer, fielded some grousing after she added animals to her two-story contemporary Los Angeles home last year. A 4-foot English pheasant stands on her living room coffee table, and two swifts are mounted side by side near a bay window. Her favorite is a free-standing 2-foot-tall partridge on a bookshelf in the home's entryway. More than one friend told her the décor was "a little peculiar," she says. "Some of them thought it was ugly."


Taxidermists do much of their business preserving animals for the people who shot them. If they're selling to outside parties, taxidermists often get the hides from hunters -- either bought outright or on consignment -- or from fur distributors, who typically work with trappers or fur farmers and can sell the animals they don't use. Many states forbid killing animals for the purpose of stuffing and selling. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says there are no national laws or licensing requirements for the profession. The field is becoming more popular: The National Taxidermists Association says membership is up about 40% since 2002.


Write to Troy McMullen at troy.mcmullen@wsj.com


Housewares Hunting


As taxidermy becomes more popular, a number of home furnishings designers have added animal themes lately.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2006, 08:03:27 PM »
D, great bear, no luck involved, can't kill a bear on your couch and while you were in the woods you were rewarded.
Please unless your from AK stop posting the regs because you haven't a clue what you are talking about and it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
This guy is from Can and what there regs say goes, and unless you have ever killed a bear, skinned out a 7 or 9 footer you have no idea what it's like.
22' Skull that's unbelievable D, makes are blacks here in the interior look like cubs. Once again way to go and congrats.

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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2006, 11:58:56 PM »
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D, great bear, no luck involved, can't kill a bear on your couch and while you were in the woods you were rewarded.
Please unless your from AK stop posting the regs because you haven't a clue what you are talking about and it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
This guy is from Can and what there regs say goes, and unless you have ever killed a bear, skinned out a 7 or 9 footer you have no idea what it's like.
22' Skull that's unbelievable D, makes are blacks here in the interior look like cubs. Once again way to go and congrats.


Was that directed to me?? Because I only posted what is on the AK DNREC site.
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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2006, 12:56:00 AM »
OK, then let's return to the original post.  A man openly admits to killing a large game animal so far from the road that he can't haul it out and then goes on as if there's nothing wrong with that.  I'm not hijacking the thread, I'm expanding on what the man admitted to doing.  My contention is that its not ethical to do such a thing.  If you have an articulate arguement to refute that I'd like to see it.  If that is not germaine to the original post then nothing else posted here is either.
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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2006, 05:52:33 AM »
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OK, then let's return to the original post.  A man openly admits to killing a large game animal so far from the road that he can't haul it out and then goes on as if there's nothing wrong with that.


There is nothing wrong with what he did assuming he followed all local game regulations.   What he did doesn't agree with your own personal ethics.
 
And you are hijacking a thread! He posted pics of a possible record book bear and you are preaching your ethics.  Two unrelated topics.

'Nuff said.
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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2006, 09:48:39 AM »
:cb2: Bet my daddy can lick your daddy! (If we haven't digressed to this, we'll be there before long.)

Everybody is talking, nobody is listening, so why not drop it. The horse (or in this case the bear) has been dead for days. Quit beating it.
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« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2006, 10:24:22 AM »
I thought I made this clear already. I guess not. ONE LAST TIME and you DO NOT want to be the one who ignores this LAST WARNING.

It was LEGAL. It is therefore ethical if the shooter thinks so. Get over it.

There will be NO MORE discussion in THIS thread over the ethics of the matter. If you have something to say about the bear not the act of taking it do so. If not go find another thread to post on.


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« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2006, 01:18:08 PM »
WOW
 Nice bear sorry about all the proffesional cooks .
Thanks bill for taken care of that
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2006, 08:58:55 AM »
great bear demonical!.....no i dont care to get into the ethic p-match...........for a couple reasons...#1 being...there are no breeches in ethics here...#2 being....its a good bear..(what ami saying?..its a fantastic bear) and you deserve a big old congrats and a handshake for gettin him.

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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2006, 06:32:29 PM »
I took my bear to Ken Walker today. Ken is a Worlds Champion Taxidermist, who has worked for the Smithsonian Institute, guided for bears for 20+ years and run his own taxidermy studio as well. Also he is about the best in the business at life size mounts of game animals.  His general comments were...


"I have handled several thousand bears and I have only seen a handful with skulls this big."

"If this is not 21" plus I will be shocked."

"This is a record book bear, I don't even need to measure it..."



FYI, Ken has a 20 1/2" skull on his shelf and he held it up to the head of my bear and the thing looked tiny against my bears head. It actually looked funny...

The only caution in all this is my bear has such a meaty head it is tough to really know the width. Skull length "guesstimate" is around 13 3/4"-14".

Ken is going to put a rush on skinning the head and he's got a skull specialist guy and they're going to get a green measurement and then they'll let me know the results.


Later, Jim.

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« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2006, 01:12:52 AM »
Demonical, you obviously know your bear is in good hands. My friend, and taxidermist is good friends with Ken Walker and told me he does great work. I can't wait to hear the results of your bear.  :D
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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2006, 10:34:16 AM »
I just got off the phone with Ken Walker 20 1/2" Green Score.

It will probably shrink to 20". Still a pretty good bear...

The bear was an incredible "meat head" according to Ken, so the initial size estimates were thrown off by that (as he had cautioned me). He thinks when the hide is fleshed and shaved at the tannery that it will let out well over 7'. He actually said that would likely add a foot. Ken said in looking at the teeth it looked like a young bear, just entering it's prime. It had lots of growing to do.

I know this bear has a good bloodline and I am already looking forward to spring 2007.

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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2006, 08:40:39 PM »
Awesome bear. Good job protecting your moose woods. You sure grow large varmints up there. I am glad we only have coyotes and dogs chasing our deer.

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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2006, 06:53:48 AM »
Ethics B.S. aside, it was legal!  Congratulations on stumbling onto a beautiful bear.

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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2006, 08:57:58 PM »
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I was 30 miles from the nearest logging road... I was in very remote, wilderness and hunting alone on foot.

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That night I slept in the cab of my truck, without blankets, pillows or anything. I FROZE MY A** OFF that night!! There was ice in the puddles in the A.M. Also since I was so damn cold anyway, I was up at 4:30 A.M. and on the trail at 4:45 after eating 1/2 a dish of cold apple sauce.

So I feel like I paid my dues to get this guy.

I admit that my choice of caliber was critical in being able to anchor this bear, but that is a whole 'nother topic.  Too bad Elmer Keith isn't around to get in on the calibers and bullets discussion!!
 

I just happened to be "Right Place, Right Time..."  I met my chance at fate at 7:55 and the rest is history.

One hell of a hike I'd say.


But it is one hell of a nice bear.  Congrats.
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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2006, 10:28:27 AM »
Great bear.  To those crying about ethics your throneroom awaits you.  You must live in the city b/c my country folk friends shoot all kinds of predators and sure don't eat them and don't have remorse.  I had to type that b/c it was very discouraging trying to read this thread.  Pm's are your friends people.  (sorry graybeard I hate it when hunters subdivide over splitting hairs).

When you get it back from the taxidermist please post more pictures.


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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2006, 11:10:35 AM »
Congrats on a great bear, good shot too.  Shot placement couldn't have been better considering the angle.  I killed one about the same size this spring with a .450 Marlin.  I'm still waiting on the skull but I believe it's over 20, maybe 21.  Mine was about the same length as yours and weighed 480 pounds spring weight.  No doubt he would have weighed over 600 in the fall.  Congrats again.  Rev

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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2006, 02:05:15 AM »
Very nice bear.. How much did it weigh do you guess?

I thought better of my original post..  anyway....   did you really travel 30 miles to the bear then back to the truck in 1 day?  that is a long walk. 

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Re: Demonicals Bear
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2007, 09:33:31 AM »
Gee guys and gals....ENOUGH ALREADY!


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