Lube

[Mikey]

Marsh:  a wet bird flying backwards makes huge airwaves, but does lube leaking backwards make a wet spot?  Sorry Marsh, jes hadda ax.  You are being snowed upon in the Shenandowa and I is being snowed upon up here.  I suffered a temporary bout, or fit, of irreverance and jes hadda ax dat kwechun.  Wal, at least I didn't go insulting your black powder, or your rafles, er frens, er your little black kitty er nutin else.  An I ain't tellin' ya who dis is, nope, I'se no dummy.  Yor fren Argus.

[Mikey]

Marsh:  Yor fren Argus back agin - sorry, but I fergot sumptin.  Hit's 'bout how lube werks.  Lube, is lak a gun, doan do nutin by itself.  Lube gotta be applied to werk.  Sittin' inna tube er a can ain't gonna make it werk, hit's gotta be applied.  Sumtymes ya'll gotta sqoze it in reel guud, sumtymes ya'll kin jes roll innit lak my dogs do an sumtymes ya'll gotta do it by hand.  Betty dun tol me 'bout da las wun.  Dat's jes to apply it.  

How it werks is dat it lub-re-cates, dat's how hit werks, hit lub-re-cates.  Hit makes things slick, lak snot onna greased doorknob, er Betty after haf a bottle ov mash.  Dis ain't to suggest ya'll snot yer bores but dat mae hep too, par-tic-i-ler ifin ders lube init.  An I wount suggest ya'll snot yer drawers either, though the lube oughta make dem werk better too, least dat's whut betty sez.  An hit ain't nun o my bizness what ya'll do wif your drawers, doan wanna know, no.  

Jes safe ta say dat de way lube werks is dat it lub-re-cates.  Daz all.  Diz be Argus, your fren. :-D

[Aladin]

Been playin' with lubes for lots of shooten-- mostly high pressure cast loadings almost the equal of jacketed psi's. Did my common sense science at the bench learning from what I saw and then setting the why's in order building on that testing. The article is a logical primer-- some things could be added but I doubt muddin' the view is of much value.

Our lube converse here covers the BLK shooten--which I'm shy on experience at what I'd call them torture conditions of extreme heat and low humidity.  How to duplicate this at my location other than rapid fire I dunno...

Another experimenter has theorized the pressure drop at the muzzle area accounts for those dry, fouled areas per the last travel inches-- that muzzle area cooler and allowing the parcipitation of solid agents from the combustion gases to form on that barrel surface.  This theory I doubt-- I believe it has no merit. If it where so-- how would that shooter account of the same kinda fouling which can occurs at the breech using hard bodied lubes? Surely the heat of combustion is peaked in this region-- so why the fouling if gas cooling is the source of fouling near that muzzle? Then consider the speed of those combustion gases-- how can materials parcipitate out and stick going 1200 fps+  at the muzzle?

The key IMO is maintaining a layer of lube which don't cook off and alllow those combustion byproducts access to the barrel steel pores-- where they can get a foothold and build into something makin' a mess.  If your base agents can take the heat and make a nice slurry with those remaining combustion byproducts-- and to some degree allowing a good share of those agents expelled by bullet's suction, your going in the right direction. To some degree lubes vaporize due to bullet passage and those fumes to some degree mitigate the action of BLK residue also.

But the wildcard in this play is the nature of the fuel. Some burn dirty and hot-- the lot of Goex 2F I have, some Swiss lots appear to burn cleaner and moist. Surely how the fuel combusts makes a significant difference in the job the lube is faced with.  Makes an apples to apples comparison concerning lubes and loads somewhat difficult.  THis aspect needs a focus-- the challenges for lubes vary....

Ran me an Experiment summer last with NO lube-- the bullet moly coated over BLK usin a good wad for seal. Blk shooten ww alloy presents minor gas seal requiements as psi's maybe make 15,000. Crisco will mostly seal that [in cold weather] alone. So I makes the seal requirement and shoots the group-- not good but not the keyholin' mess I expected.... This sans any blow tubin-- I do NONE testing lubes in 8-10 shots strings. Fouling was hardish in areas but not full length... I now wonder if I'd have blow tubed to help out some-- would that have worked?? Need to revisit that one.... Point IS?? Could it be the lubes do more harm [in their present formula's] that good in some cases?

Film at 11:00

[RBak]

Marsh, Where ya frum? I grew up amongst Appalachian Hill Folk down in Wise, VA. Everybody was still shootin Black Powder back in the late 1930's, 1940's. Still do, I'm told, and they ain't looked back. The last time I was in that part of the world...and it is it's own part of the world... I was in Norton, VA to take part in the Southwest Va. Regionals. I didn't shoot worth a hoot in that match, and probably haven't improved a whole heck of a lot since, but I did meet some of the nicest people in the whole world. I actualy considered retirement in that area since the people made one feel so welcome. I haven't been back in several years but I often think about it.
Hill Folk are indeed a wonderful lot. I once read something that went like this..."Hill Folk, Where poverty and honesty walk hand in hand." I like that!
Take care, Russ

[ButlerFord45]

:-D  This may be a bad thing; but, I understood Argus!!???

Butler Ford

[ButlerFord45]

Sorry, got tickeled at Argus and forgot to "put the meat in the pot".  The article shows a lot of thought, but some of the theories I'm not sure I agree with.  I'll do a bit more research before I stick my foot any deeper into my mouth.

Is there any way to edit a post, or do you have make a second post to explain yer mistake?


Butler Ford


I just found the edit button!!!

[Graybeard]

Butler Ford. Yup editing is easy as can be. BUT ya gotta be registered which you are and logged in both on the original post and to edit. Assuming both of those just look in the upper right corner of your post for the work Edit. Click on in. That will bring you up a window with your original message in it. Change it in any way you wish and then tell it to submit and you've edited your message. Pretty simple.

BTW Welcome to you and all the other Shooters.com folks. I used to hang out over there some mostly in the handgun forums but my site has grown so large I can't even cover all of it in a day any more so seldom have time to visit other sites like I used to do.

Sure seems to be a lot of large and old sites closing down lately.

GB