petroleum based lubes

[gazz]

Hi,
I believe that petroleum based lubes are unsuitable for patch lube. Could someone please tell me exactly why? It's just that I would like to spout off a lot of science the next time the subject comes up!
cheers,
gazz.

[sharps4590]

I can't tell you the science behind it but most experienced muzzleloaders, myself included, don't use petro based lubes as they have a tendency to build up "gunk" in the bore.  That not only destroys accuracy but makes them more difficult to clean.  It's just hard to beat the natural stuff.

Vic

[lostid]

Hi,
I believe that petroleum based lubes are unsuitable for patch lube. Could someone please tell me exactly why?

 Nope, nobody can tell you what too believe or why. You need to make your own choices. Perhaps' others can provide information and experiance for you yet, it's up to you to derive your own results and conclusions.
 I'm a follower of brother Dutch and I'm a swabber by his school. I use lps 2 and lps 3 too store and care for my guns. I've also learned to clean and care for said guns. I DON'T use 30# motor oil or parrifin wax,

[Landngroove]

Like most other things, a generalized, "broad brush" statement is usually not 100% correct. True, some petroleum lubes will tend to foul. T/C Maxi-Lube, and CVA Grease Patch, come to mind. However, I use Hoppes #9 Plus Black Powder Solvent And Patch Lube, and it is great stuff. Definately does not promote fouling. Funny thing is, one of the ingrediants on the label is Kerosene. Last I knew, kerosene is a petroleum product. I think that the "All Natural" approach to lubes and cleaning, is a marketing ploy by the makers of these products. I also use Clenzoil, as a rust, and corrosion inhibiter, in the barrels of my ML's after cleaning. This too has petro products in it. True, I wipe the barrel to remove any trace of oil before initial shot. I have used the "All Natural" products, and see no difference in fouling than what I now use.

[papellet]

I use petro based products and have for years with no ill effects.  Last thing that goes down the barrel is Birchwood Casey sheath and I run an alcohol patch prior to loading. Also Agree on the marketing ploy with the "all natural" products.

[dodd3]

if you want a good patch lube get some of this shoot all day last ball goes down as easy as the first,see pic.
bernie

[captchee]

what many folks dont see are these are mostly all natural products, lanolin , corn oils, grease , fats  even many of the modern products are still derived from  a combination of natural products .. To include most all oils but synthetics
 
 I think this is an issue that’s held over from the iron barrel age .
 My long rifle has such a barrel and I can tell ya  .I put hoppies #9 down it  one time ,, will never do that again what a mess .
 I went back to good old spit patch  and I can literally shoot all day . When I clean  I use hot water and  a couple patches of Remington Bp solvent  and then  give the barrel a good coat of Crisco  or if I can find it  Pyrodex lube or better yet Black duck lube

[roundball]

"...I put hoppies #9 down it  one time ,, will never do that again what a mess..."
nt back to good old spit patch  and I can literally shoot all day . When I

Do you mean Hoppes No9 for centerfires, or "Hoppes No9 PLUS", for BP?

Hoppes No9 PLUS has been outstanding for me, particularly in dry, low humidity weather as it's a liquid...

[sharps4590]

Lanolin is pretty natural, it is a byproduct of wool production.  I'll be the first to admit that a lot of the advertising hype surrounding the over the counter "natural lubes" is just that, hype.  however, they do work for me.  Also, all any of us can honestly do is speak from our experience.  Petro based lubes haven't been good to me.  For rondesvous type match shooting, from my experience, I believe a good ol' spit patch is hard to beat if one is firing frequently.  For hunting I want a grease lube and the basic whatever "tallow, lard, suet, grease, olive oil, castor oil" and beeswax mixed in approximately 50/50 proportions, (with sometimes a dash of Murphy's Oil Soap thrown in),  is hard to improve upon.  

I wouldn't dare say my way is the only way any more than I would disparage someone else's methods.  All I can do is relate what works for me.

Vic

[captchee]

"...I put hoppies #9 down it  one time ,, will never do that again what a mess..."
nt back to good old spit patch  and I can literally shoot all day . When I

Do you mean Hoppes No9 for centerfires, or "Hoppes No9 PLUS", for BP?

Hoppes No9 PLUS has been outstanding for me, particularly in dry, low humidity weather as it's a liquid...

 the   hoppes #9 centerfire lube  roundball . never tried their black powder lube

[Woodbutcher]

Dear gazz:
 I think it goes like this. When ya heat sulphur and petro stuff, together,  ya get asphalt.                                Woodbutcher

[roundball]

Dear gazz:
 I think it goes like this. When ya heat sulphur and petro stuff, together,  ya get asphalt.                                Woodbutcher

Amen!
I've managed to pick up a couple of used but like new barrels that "had been shot out" according to their owners when accuracy went south.

They had nothing wrong with them except streaks of tar buildup in the 90 degree land/groove corners most of the length of the bore.

A couple of 15 minute soaking sessions with Shooter's Choice BP Cleaning Gel dissolved it right out...they're still shooting perfectly today.

[gazz]

Dear gazz:
 I think it goes like this. When ya heat sulphur and petro stuff, together,  
ya get asphalt.                                

Woodbutcher, that hits the nail right on the head! (pun probably intended).
Do you mind if I quote you?
I have been using Hoppes no. 9 Plus with very good results. Perhaps it has an ingredient in it that netralises the asphalt producing effect of kerosene?
Bernie, I might try some Lanotec on minnies.
cheers,
gazz.

[captchee]

Dear gazz:
 I think it goes like this. When ya heat sulphur and petro stuff, together,  ya get asphalt.                                Woodbutcher

Very good analogue

[dodd3]

gazz if you try the lanotec do a mix of 50/50 bees wax and lanotec.  it is very sticky to soft on its own for mini's but with the bees wax added it is just wright for me but it will depend on the air temp you will bee shooting in, just try diferent mix till you get the one that suits your neck of the woods.
bernie

[gazz]

Thanks bernie,
Where do you buy lanotec? Is it something you put on your boots?
Thanks,
gazz.

[Biff Mayhem]

Thanks bernie,
Where do you buy lanotec? Is it something you put on your boots?
Thanks,
gazz.

You can get a tub for as little as $13 here. This stuff sounds interesting for patch lube. The issue with lanolin is bore stickiness. Not sure how difficult a bullet will load with this in the bore.

http://www.storecube.com/naturalsolutions/index.php?cPath=58