Author Topic: Iraqi "allies" turn on American soldiers (Read 2626 times)

FWiedner · « **on:** June 21, 2006, 03:43:00 AM »

Is there any doubt but that these scummy rags will take verything our nation gives them and one day use it against us?

I say kill them all.

Iraqi colleagues killed U.S. soldiers, military says

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/soldiers.ambushed.ap/index.html

:evil:

magooch · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2006, 03:51:21 AM »

I agree with the sentiment (kill them all), but that probably wouldn't play too well. Rather, I would have as the only rule of engagement be: if in doubt--take em out.

In the future I would hope that we learn from this experience, as we should have learned from so many others; instead of sending in the troops, we need to first send in the nukes. Then, of course, there would be no need to send in the troops.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2006, 11:30:21 AM »

No matter how you spin it, "killing them all" should not be the direction of choice. Yes, I too have used that term before, but it is statistically sound to acknowledge that for the number of US troop there and the number of "ally forces" being trained that some of the "allies" are going to be insurgents in "friendly" clothing and some (hoped to be few) of these tragedies are going to surface. We have seen our own US Troop (traitors) tossing granades at us. We didn't go after our own in that event.

Where did all 70,000 of Sadam's troops go that were awaiting our arrival in Bagdad in 2002? Some crept back into their holes to await their destiny with US troops; some went home to parents, wives, and families grateful for the release; some have not made up their minds - yet. This latter group, probably the largest, will like us when we win. Until then, watch your back...

ironglow · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2006, 12:47:08 AM »

I have to say "ditto".. to Landowner here...

There could be an isolated incident such as CNN described...but they muist be very rare..same as the incident where our own soldier "fragged" some of our own officers.

My grandson, a Spec Ops Marine, just got back fron the Ramadi neighborhood where he and his unit had imbedded Iraqi troops that they were training. They had no incidents or even hints of such problems.

Curiously, that article by CNN first mentions Iraqi troops, then they are "civil defense officers"...and finally, calls them "patrolmen"...

Were they troops, cabinet officals or cops ?...Big difference !!...CNN doesn't seem too sure in their report !

..Hey, maybe they were Al Queda "patrolmen"..

Given the way much of the media has been portraying the war on terror...I take anything ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN..NY Times, Wash Post or LA Times has to say..with the proverbial "grain of salt" !

CNN rather tipped their hand when they went for enlightened comment to Barbara Boxer...then didn't "fair and balance" the report by asking someone from the DoD for comment..

...I will at least go as far as to check it out with FOX NEWS...fair & balanced...

It is about time we loyal patriots here in the US realized that we have a sizeable segment of OUR OWN population that is...." at war with our war on terror ".. and will do ANYTHING to cut down our troops and our elected leaders' credibility and try to minimize their efforts...

If we want to seek out traitors...we can start there..

Keith L · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2006, 02:33:53 AM »

"It is about time we loyal patriots here in the US realized that we have a sizeable segment of OUR OWN population that is...." at war with our war on terror ".. and will do ANYTHING to cut down our troops and our elected leaders' credibility and try to minimize their efforts...

If we want to seek out traitors...we can start there.."

This is America. People in America have a right and even an obligation to disagree and speak their minds. If it gets to the point where people are in trouble for exercising a basic right under the constitution then we are in trouble. As I watch the country freely giving up many things we heald dear in the interest if the "war on terror" I wonder who is winning.

ironglow · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2006, 03:13:31 AM »

Sure,
...A person has a right to speak out..they also have a right to act like a stupid traitor...

That doesn't mean the rest of us HAVE to love them for it !!

Keith L · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2006, 04:01:31 PM »

Here is what Ironglow's grandson is fighting to protect. I am sure that in his interest to support the troops that he may be a little to close to realize that doing what he is advocating he is negating Amendment I. Whatever else happens it is all for nothing if we loose these rights.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2006, 12:24:38 PM »

Check again..I did not offer ANY amendment...the most i said was " if it walks, quacks and looks like a duck...let's watch it a bit closer and see if it really is a duck !"

I guess if John, my neighbor a 'Nam vet, started painting his fingernails, began wearing pink tutus and started hanging around with other guys that do the same...I might to really start wondering about him.

Still; there is no law against such behavior !

...But if I caught him in such condition, messing with little neighborhood boys...then I may call for intervention..

Of course my neighbor is not remotely like that...so I don't have to watch "a bit closer" .

Keith L · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2006, 12:49:26 PM »

"It is about time we loyal patriots here in the US realized that we have a sizeable segment of OUR OWN population that is...." at war with our war on terror ".. and will do ANYTHING to cut down our troops and our elected leaders' credibility and try to minimize their efforts...

If we want to seek out traitors...we can start there.."

"" if it walks, quacks and looks like a duck...let's watch it a bit closer and see if it really is a duck !"

Sorry Ironglow. Your statements sure look like an assault on good old amendment number 1. It reads to me like you can't chin anyone who doesn't agree with the current administration and their conduct in the war. You want to call them trators. Think about it a little bit.

ironglow · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2006, 02:24:42 PM »

My ire is directed at those among us who condemn and villify our own leaders more than they do the terrorist leaders.

Those among us who complain long & loudly about wrongdoing (real or imagined), by our troops...while barely making mention about the absolute atrocities commited (and BRAGGED about) by our terrorist enemies.

Those among us who cannot say, " You have brought down two inhuman regimes and one brutal dictator in this war on terror, all the while facing some of the most lying, treacherous, satanically inspired foes we have ever fought..THANK YOU TROOPS !"

Those among us who cannot bring themselves to say, " You have brought down two inhuman regimes and one brutal dictator in this war on terror, when your predecessor was too busy choking interns to take into custody, the chief terrorist (who was offered on a silver platter). THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT !"

Those who cannot say a good word about our own elected leaders efforts while ignoring the absolute brutal terrorists these same leaders must face.

Those who would rather hassle our intelligence gathering agencies abou "eavesdropping" on terrorist conversations, while ignoring the thousands of lives this very tactic helped to save just a couple weeks ago during the UK/US plane bombing attempt.

It looks like they would rather see the terrorists succeed... than to have these same terrorist's phone conversations listened to.

All of the foregoing give " aid & comfort" to our enemies..and we all know what that is defined as ( if we are the least familiar with the UCMJ)..Yet..If one is NOT guilty of these suspicious activities, they need not feel put upon...

Keith L · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:21:09 AM »

Point is that all these things you find so awful are protected by the same first ammendment that allows you to expound on it. Fact is that the Bill of Rights protects people that we don't always agree with. That has been America's strength, not a weakness. If people aren't allowed to protest, speak against the government when they disagree then it becomes like the totalitarian states we have traditionally been against in the past. It would be a shame to deny rights to those who protest because that would disgrace all those who participated in all past wars to protect those rights. And the Constitution trumps the UCMJ.

ironglow · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2006, 03:20:18 PM »

The fact is;

Nothing I have said in any way goes against the Bill of Rights...

The Bill of Rights allows "citizens" of this country to condemn their own country, scorn it's freedoms , do their best to demoralize our troops and repeat all kinds of wild lies and conspiracy theories that they may pick up from hare-brained bloggers.

But these same folks that give our enemies such comfort must know that loyal Americans do not HAVE to respect or give any credence to whatever they say.

In fact it allows that others may dislike intensely anyone who, by their words seem to be encouraging our enemies on to even greater efforts..

Just as I cannot legally stop some idiot from burning "Old Glory ", that doesn't mean that I have to like either them or their actions..

magooch · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2006, 04:11:05 AM »

It looks to me like it all boils down to this: The anti-bushies think the First Amendment insures that they can call the President a liar, but it shouldn't allow us to call them traitors.

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:46:31 PM »

Difference is that being a "trator" is actionable legally, where being a Liar obviously isn't in most circumstances. Ironglow, in your orginal post you spoke of "seeking out" trators. Now you have softened your statement and I can accept that. There is a difference between not liking someone and seeking them out for some form of action.

mhurley · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2006, 10:07:19 AM »

I don't know what you all are arguing about. You should be happy we are in Iraq, less travel to Iran. We'll show em when we put a boot in their a*#.

Is Bush the only one willing to stay the course? This is the most powerful country in the world, if we can't win Iraq it will end up looking like Vietnam- remember the domino effect. if Vietnam falls to communism the whole world will.

All democrats are liars, I mean come on, this Foley thing! so what if he likes 16 year old boys, he is a republican-- tow the line guys.

I am republican on some issues (pro gun, less government, etc) Independent on others and even Democrat on a few, but come on guys, what's going on up there in DC is a shame for all Americans.

The jokes on us: Its not Fox news or Cnn or Clinton or Rush-- they got us fightin each other.

It truly is a shame................

kyote · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2006, 02:43:18 PM »

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/248744/why_we_fight_terrorism/

kyote · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2006, 03:45:17 PM »

It's God's job to judge the terrorists...It's our job to arrange the meeting!
U.S. of A.

magooch · « **Reply #17 on:** October 08, 2006, 03:46:38 AM »

I can't fault President Bush for at least voicing a desire to unify this country, but practically, it is an impossible task. This country is divided into four categories: conservatives, liberals, illegals and those who are undecided.

A few might occasionally be swayed from the conservative, or liberal stance and the undecided (wishy washy) will go which ever way the wind blows. It has taken a couple of centuries to fine tune our politics to the state it is and everything considered, it might just be for the best that we are not one big homoginized mess. If the conservatives, or the liberals were ever to gain an invincible majority, I'm sure it would lead to something bad.

In business, competition is essential to maintain a heathy, vibrant economy that serves both consumers and providers best interests in the long run. I believe this is also true in politics.

Keith L · « **Reply #18 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:59:12 AM »

Without Liberals the Conservatives would never go anywhere. Without the Conservatives the Liberals would run wild. Both points of view are necessary to keep an even keel.

What I dislike about politics today is that there isn't any decorum any longer. Time was that people could disagree and still be civil. Now in the post Rush era any discourse turns into name calling right away. The more personal each side makes it the harder it is for anyone to recall we are all Americans and need to come together once in a while.

Brett · « **Reply #19 on:** October 08, 2006, 03:56:14 PM »

When did the logic behind "Together we stand, divided we fall" go out of vogue?

Keith L · « **Reply #20 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:11:48 AM »

When politics became more important than being American. When Rush and all his clones became the source for many peoples opinions. When we forgot that the right to different opinions was one of the factors that made America great and strong.

ironglow · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:10:32 AM »

Perhaps when the "feminized" portion of our citizens would rather "cut and run" , rather than to defeat our enemies..as our forefathers did.

When "Airhead America" seems to speak for a sizeable number of Americans..albeit not enough to keep them on the air though !..LOL

When perversion and degenerate lifestyles became "alternative"..

All great cultures usually die, not from external attack..but rather from internal rot..

When certain politicians clamored for the vote of aliens, convicted felons etc. and catered to the whims of various oddball splinter groups, rather than the normal, majority voters.

Maybe when some of our judges and politicians began to think that some phony organization such as the UN should take ANY kind of precedence over our own soverignty..and look to foreign courts to decide OUR Constitutional questions..

Perhaps when the govt decided to be a "nanny state"..trying to provide things like free babysitting (read brainwashing) for tots..

For those and a hundred other reasons.

Too often, emotion overturns reason...

buffermop · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2006, 03:08:46 AM »

Is it time to make Iraq a big glass bowl?

ggeilman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2006, 05:39:46 AM »

Well you can scratch the 4th Amendment with the new Military Tribunal Act. If you are declared an enemy combatant, citizen or not, habeas corpus doesn't apply to you any more which pretty much kills the rest of the bill of rights come to think of it.

prairiedog555 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 02, 2007, 02:10:20 PM »

I am no liberal, and no traitor. But this was a war that didn't have to happen. That whole country is not worth the lives of one of our boys. I do not think that Iraqi's are good people, they deffinitly do not think like Americans. They don't deserve to be free, they deserve Saddam.
And look at the way this war has been run, awful. That Bremer was an idiot. At least they could have used the same model as we used in Germany and Japan, but no, they were smarter than Eisenhower and McArthur.
I'll bet Teddy Rooseveldt, Ronald Regan or Harry Truman would have done it differently. Those were good smart honest politicians. When will we have a chance to elect a good president?
Is it wrong to say it was a mistake? As George Patton said, " Americans won't tolerate a looser."
I hate loosing, smart people pick their spots wisely. And if they make a mistake, like Regan going to Beruit, they have the courage to get out and admit it was a mistake before we lose any more good American lives. Great idea, kill them all, better idea, let them kill themselves.

Heavy C · « **Reply #25 on:** January 03, 2007, 08:10:46 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on October 08, 2006, 02:05:03 AM

mhurley wrote:
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The jokes on us: Its not Fox news or Cnn or Clinton or Rush-- they got us fightin each other.

Yes indeed, as I see it they rule by division. Now, I just got to take a crack at Bush----it was he who originally ran as the 'Great Unifier' or something like that. Seems like that doesn't fit along about now.

And I'm also like you in that I like to pick issues positions from the whole spectrum, especially since my beloved Republican party got highjacked by the Neocon faction.

..............................TM7

While he was Governor of Texas he had both parties working together very well. I believe he under-estimated how ruthless Washington had become. There is no longer any individual respect for one another amongst the politicians in Washington anymore. President Ford had the right idea when he said it was okay to disagree without being disagreeable.

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** January 26, 2007, 02:25:53 AM »

He was a fair governor when he was here. As far as under-estimating how ruthless Washington has become. Come-on! He has Cheney as vice presidenct. He knew exactly what he was dealing with. He hired the best of the ruthless. That's why we're in Iraq for no apparent reason other than HIS own.

Heavy C · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2007, 08:54:19 AM »

I was referring to the ability to make Democrats and Republicans work together. As far as the war goes, he has acknowledged that it was bad intel. It doesn't mean we shouldn't finish what we start.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:38:43 AM »

The problem may be there won't be any finish to it. My son who is a Sgt. in the 82nd says terrorist are rotating in and out of Iraq, just like our troops. They're coming from all over the world to shoot Americans and then going home to rest, before coming back.

Heavy C · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:26:27 PM »

Well you have a point there. I have a buddy and a cousin over there now and I'm hearing a lot of the same too. I worry about them and want them home ASAP, but I also hate the idea that we'll be seen as a paper tiger. It doesn't bode well for preventing these extremists from repeating 9/11. I'll keep your son in my prayers so that he can make it back home safe and sound.