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.375 Ruger
« on: July 26, 2006, 08:31:50 AM »
Yesterday, I was watching a hunt on TV starring Craig Boddington and Steve Hornady. Steve introduced the ".375 Ruger", a standard length action .375 with ballistics equal to the H&H. I hear he's also going to start making the .450-.400 ammo, too.

Anyone know anything about the Ruger? They're keeping mum.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2006, 12:12:07 PM »
I just saw the show at 8 am Tracks Across Africa. I called Ruger. The lady told me she would know more about the new catalog items in a couple months.I'm hoping the .375 Ruger will be in an M77 Mark 2 so I can afored it.The 450-400 will more likely be in the #1,but who knows.Something worth waiting for.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 02:50:39 PM »
Ever heard of a 376 Steyr?  It's just a couple hundred feet shy of the H&H in a short barreled scout rifle.  It was designed for the Steyr "Scout".  A buddy of mine just built one with a 24" barrel on a mauser action.  He says it's a real cannon.  I can't wait to shoot it.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2006, 05:20:21 PM »
Yep, you're right about the .376 Steyr.........it's a great round. This thing that Hornady had looked like a .416 Rigby's younger brother.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 09:25:37 AM »
Sounds like the 375 Ruger will be a 300 Win Mag necked up to 375 without the belt.  Should fit their Mark II M77 easily.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2006, 04:21:23 AM »
Looks like a fatter case than the .300. The show is playing today...."Tracks across Africa-Bullets and Buffalo" Outdoor channel.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2006, 10:05:33 AM »
When Steve's holding it in his hands it looks like a shorten 404 Jeffery's case,or a shorter .375 Ultra Mag. same thing.Maybe if you call Honady they could tell us.So we don't have to guess.What ever it is I want one.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2006, 12:14:05 PM »
You're right about the case. I sent e-mail to Hornady, but no answer yet.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2006, 05:24:47 AM »
Here's some ballistics comparisons.







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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 12:11:55 PM »
Wonder what trajectory numbers are?  This will be a bigge in AK I'll bet.  Great back up gun for big bears.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 09:24:36 AM »
I heard it's a 300  Rem Ultra Mag blown out to a .375 and cut down to a 30:06 action length OR a similar to a .375 RUM but cut down to a 30:06 length, whatever.  No belt either like the RUM.  It's NOT a 300 Win Mag cartridge shortened and blown out.  It's a little bit bigger diameter shell.  I'm pretty sure the 300 RUM takes the same shellholder as a 338 Win Mag though cause I reload for both of them.  Gonna be a sweet caliber for a lot of people but I'm happy with my 375 H&H and 358 Norma if I need that much power. 
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 06:16:02 PM »
I heard it's a 300  Rem Ultra Mag blown out to a .375 and cut down to a 30:06 action length OR a similar to a .375 RUM but cut down to a 30:06 length, whatever.  No belt either like the RUM.  It's NOT a 300 Win Mag cartridge shortened and blown out.  It's a little bit bigger diameter shell.  I'm pretty sure the 300 RUM takes the same shellholder as a 338 Win Mag though cause I reload for both of them.  Gonna be a sweet caliber for a lot of people but I'm happy with my 375 H&H and 358 Norma if I need that much power. 
Can't be the RUM case if the rim is .532" and the base the same size.  The RUM has a rebated rim, the base is larger than the standard magnum.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2006, 11:14:49 AM »
I heard it's a 300  Rem Ultra Mag blown out to a .375 and cut down to a 30:06 action length OR a similar to a .375 RUM but cut down to a 30:06 length, whatever.  No belt either like the RUM.  It's NOT a 300 Win Mag cartridge shortened and blown out.  It's a little bit bigger diameter shell.  I'm pretty sure the 300 RUM takes the same shellholder as a 338 Win Mag though cause I reload for both of them.  Gonna be a sweet caliber for a lot of people but I'm happy with my 375 H&H and 358 Norma if I need that much power. 
Can't be the RUM case if the rim is .532" and the base the same size.  The RUM has a rebated rim, the base is larger than the standard magnum.

Yukon Jack, Where'd you find the specs on this cartridge??  I cannot find anything mentioned on the Guns & ammo site.  If it's on there, I guess I'm looking at the wrong page.  If it's based on the 404 Jeffrey as mentioned above, I thought the 300 RUM was based on that also.   Anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong and if you have the complete specs, could you let us know.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2006, 09:58:16 AM »
Is was there but I think they updated their web site.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 07:32:24 AM »
It is from all that I gathered through various othe forums from members who have some connections in close with Hornady and Ruger that it will be marketed in 07. Base on the .532 case head on a beltless brass. A bit more ooomph than the old H/H and close to the heels of my .375RUM. Been wanting to schuck my Rem. 700 .375 RUM and do something different and I am expecting to either get this new Ruger or just do a rebarreling and get the hardware.
Yes here in Alaska it is the perfect or will be the perfect bear gun. That is all my RUM is used for. Beltless 375 case-good for Ruger!! A great affordable USA firearms manufacturer that likes to deal with the ordinary fella like me. Rem. and Win are out so it is good to pool in and communicate with Ruger and encourage them and buy from them. Not truly like a Mauser or  the Model 70 but damn acceptable and reliable in the field.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 08:10:29 AM »
Maybe I a totally wrong here but i feel since the didn't take off that well the Rugar will even be less.  I have a couple of RUMS and love them much so what is this great advantage..Thanks
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 07:58:35 PM »
The advantange over the RUM is that it will fit into a .30-06 length action.  As far as I know it will be an entirely new cartridge design but will have the same general size as a 300 mag.  the base and rim will both be .532.  I think that this will be my big gun that will handle anything that I would be worried about using my 30-06 for.  I doubt I will every really have a use for it though.

I think that the new ruger will really take off well.  Before if you wanted something above the .30-06,300 mag you either went with a 338 mag or up in action lenght to the H&H.  Now you can have both shorter action and larger diameter in the same size package as a 338 mag.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2006, 06:59:22 PM »
Here are some predictions regarding the .375 Ruger...

1. In short order US sales of new rifles in .375 Ruger will permanently eclipse those for the .375 RUM, H&H and Weatherby combined.  (Remember, you heard it here first.)

2. Other manufacturers will chamber rifles in .375 Ruger.

3. In the not too distant future we will see siblings – most likely a .338, maybe a .300 as well.

4. The siblings will also be well accepted and will also eclipse the RUM and Weatherby in new sales.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 03:24:54 PM »
Coyote hunter I would have to agree with you 100%.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 04:41:17 PM »
Here are some predictions regarding the .375 Ruger...

1. In short order US sales of new rifles in .375 Ruger will permanently eclipse those for the .375 RUM, H&H and Weatherby combined.  (Remember, you heard it here first.)

2. Other manufacturers will chamber rifles in .375 Ruger.

3. In the not too distant future we will see siblings – most likely a .338, maybe a .300 as well.

4. The siblings will also be well accepted and will also eclipse the RUM and Weatherby in new sales.

The potential is there & it probably will be promoted well. Horn. has showned their marketing skill with the 204Ruger & the 17HMR. The only Horn. round that has been lackluster is the 450 Marlin, but their is a niche for it, the short action bolt gun. It will survive I think because of this & the BLR, it may not be real popular, but I don't think they really expected that.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 05:02:55 PM »
How unusual,,, they did not attach the word  "magnum" to this new cartridge.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2006, 07:53:54 AM »
So it won't  preform as well as a .375RUM and it will preform slightly better than a .375 H&H .and we are suposed to get excited about it . YAWN !  ???

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2006, 08:51:27 AM »
Everyone will not get excited about any design. But, as Coyote Hunter was illuding to I am sure, there are some advantages of this design. Yes, it is faster than a 375H&H, but the biggie is that it
is done in a std. length action. This makes the round feasible for alot of actions that the H&H & RUM
will not fit in. Many would want a little more performance than the H&H in this case & many did not want to go to quite the level of the RUM, but their is noting wrong with the RUM if that is what the shooter wants. For exactly the same reason in regards to overall length the case will be used alot for Wildcats & other cal. factory versions will more than likely pop up, again they will fit in alot more guns.  The RUM case has proven to not be that great in the 7mm, but this one has a better chance.
I think the 300RUM is great, but I decided to leave my Sendero in 300WM, as going from 3,000FPS
to 3,200FPS with the 200Accubond looked good, but the tradeoff was in recoil & especially barrel life was not value added for me, so I held off. With this case I can see a vel. of 3,050 to about 3,100
with the 200 with powder charge, barrel life & recoil(least concern of the 3) being closer to the
300WM, this is the tradeoff I was looking for.
So to many of us the performance aspect alone is far from the most important part of this new offering.
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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2006, 07:23:57 AM »
Quote from: Cheesehead
How unusual,,, they did not attach the word  "magnum" to this new cartridge.

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Refreshing, no?

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So it won't  preform as well as a .375RUM and it will preform slightly better than a .375 H&H .and we are suposed to get excited about it . YAWN !  ???

No, it won’t perform as well as a .375 RUM.  Nor does it need to in order to be quite successful.  The .30-06 is still very popular (as in #1 in sales on many charts) even though the various .300 magnums offer superior performance.

Hunters currently have very limited options in a .375.  Many standard-length (.30-06) rifle actions, like the standard-length Ruger M77 MKII, have magazine or other restrictions which limit cartridge COL to 3.400”.  Those limitations prevent them from being chambered in the .375 RUM, .375 and .378 Weatherby, or the .375 H&H.  The .376 Steyr, at 3.110” COL, is a fine round for its intended purposes but it is too short to take full advantage of a standard-length action.  The .375 Dakota, while suitable, is a proprietary cartridge and ammo is virtually unavailable. (Try locating some online and you’ll see what I mean.)

Ruger only offers the .375H&H in their ‘Magnum’ action which lists for $1,975 and tips the scales at 10 pounds.  (For perspective, that’s more than the combined total I paid for my Ruger M77 in .257 Roberts, NIB Ruger M77 in 7mm Rem Mag, NIB Ruger M77 MKII in .300 Win Mag, Remington M700 BDL in .308 Win, Marlin 336 in .30-30 and Marlin 1895 in .45-70.)  Remington offers .375 H&H and RUM in their M700 XCR.  It lists for $980, weighs 7-5/8 pounds and measures 46.5” in length.  The least expensive Dakota rifle runs over $3,000 when iron sights are added, and Winchester no longer makes the M70.  The CZ Safari Magnum runs $875, weighs 9.4 pounds and has a 25” barrel with an overall length of 46.5”.  The Steyr Mannlicher Scout weighs 6.6 pounds and has an overall length of 38.6”, but list price is over $2000 and good luck finding one.  Many people don’t care for the Steyr for a number of reasons.  Of course none of this is an issue if one of those offerings is what you want.  They don’t really do it for me.

The .375 Ruger in the new Alaskan (synthetic/stainless) model should be very similar to Ruger’s All-Weather (synthetic/stainless) .350 Magnum, which also has a 22” barrel, weighs 7 pounds, measures 42” overall and lists for $695.  The Alaskan should have iron sights, may weigh a bit more, and the cost will probably be a bit higher, but still well under $1,000.  I would be surprised if Savage/Stevens and CZ don’t chamber for this cartridge as well, as there is no barrier to doing so in their standard-length actions.

As a North American hunting cartridge, the new .375 Ruger and the Alaskan model has several advantages.  The first is the cartridge diameter is such that you don’t have to give up a round in the magazine compared to standard cartridges.  If a .404 Jeffery case had been the base as with the WSMs and the RUMs, say goodbye to one cartridge.  The 22” barrel length of the new Alaskan is another advantage.  My Ruger in .257 Roberts also has a 22” barrel and I find it surprisingly more handy than my 24” Rugers. 

Then there is the matter of reloading.  While the RUM offers a little more performance on the top end, it does so at a cost in recoil that many shooters cannot tolerate.  The Ruger doesn’t quite match the RUM’s top-end velocity but the smaller case of the Ruger will allow it to be downloaded more easily.  In my own case I shoot a .375 Winchester and would likely develop loads for the Ruger that bumped performance a couple hundred fps but stayed well below maximum.  And I would probably have maximum loads for those occasions when Ithought they were warranted.  When it comes to reloading presses, there are a gazillion RockChucker and other presses out there that are designed for .30-06-length cartridges – mine is one of them.  The slightly shorter Ruger cartridge will work better in these than do the RUMs and H&H cartridges.

There is also the little matter of the Ruger action in general.  While I love my M700 in .308 Win and my M700 ML .50 muzzlestuffer, I prefer Ruger actions for several reasons.  A standard-action Ruger in .375 Dakota has been on my wish list for some years now, and the .375 Ruger will fulfill that wish.

So what we have in the .375 Ruger is a cartridge that will come initially in an affordable rifle that is a handy 42” or so OAL, comes in a weight suitable for humping the mountains after elk, offers performance options from that of a hot .375 Winchester to better than H&H, doesn't reduce the magazine capacity and will be easy to reload.  Further, rifles and ammunition will probably be offered by other manufacturers, resulting in more choices for consumers while helping to keep street costs down. None of the other cartridges discussed above offer all these advantages.

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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2006, 08:33:59 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2006, 04:46:06 AM »
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…the biggie is that it is done in a std. length action. This makes the round feasible for alot of actions that the H&H & RUM
will not fit in. … For exactly the same reason in regards to overall length the case will be used alot for Wildcats & other cal. factory versions will more than likely pop up, again they will fit in alot more guns.  The RUM case has proven to not be that great in the 7mm, but this one has a better chance.


Regarding standard length cartridges…

The 7x57 case was the basis for many very popular wildcats, some of which made it to commercial status.  The .30-06 case fathered the .25-06, 6.5mm-06, .270 Win, .280 Rem, .338-06 and .35 Whelen, and others.  The .300 H&H case fathered the 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Win Mag for standard-length actions.

(BUSTER51  - The .30-06 gave way to the .308 Win and we ended up with the .243 Win, .25 Souper, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, and .338 Federal.  Note the popularity of these cartridges even though they do not perform to the levels of those based on the .30-06 or H&H cases.)

Then came the RUM case which, although it fit the Remington M700 action, was too long for most standard-length actions.  The strength of the RUM cartridges, their length, was also their Achilles heel.  RUM progeny include the… um, er ,ah, um well – hmmm.  Can’t think of any.  It seems that bigger isn’t always better.

Now we will have the Ruger case.  Cartridges based on it will fit standard length actions and, although it is fatter than a H&H case (except at the belt, which is identical in diameter) doesn’t reduce the magazine capacity.  It offers the opportunity for a significant improvement in ballistics over the cartridges based on the H&H design but without going radically overbore, as I think is the situation with the 7mm RUM.

The days of using a H&H belted mag case for new cartridge development is over.  The belt was superfluous in modern arms anyway.  The Ruger case eliminates the useless belt and provides a useful increase in case capacity.

So here’s my prediction, which I sense you will more or less agree with – the .375 Ruger will be ‘the’ case on which new standard-length cartridges are developed for the first part of the 21st century.  I fully expect to see offerings in .338, .300, 7mm, .257 and maybe .270 and .35 in the next few years.  They will see wide acceptance.  For my own part, I’m done buying rifles chambered for belted mags.



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Re: .375 Ruger
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2006, 12:46:16 PM »
Coyote Hunter, have you seen any pictures of the Ruger Alaskan ?
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2006, 01:50:07 PM »
Coyote Hunter, have you seen any pictures of the Ruger Alaskan ?

Nope, but its supposed to be weather resistant.  To me that indicates synthetic and stainless.  I would be very surprised if it doesn't have iron signts.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2006, 04:15:23 AM »
I think it will be great especially with the winchester model 70 out of the picture . No one else is manufacturing a CRF rifle i believe the ruger alaskan wil be stainless synthetic and the african will be blued walnut. i hope they also coat the stainless on the Alaskan model. I was going to buy the remington 700 xcr in 375 H&H or RUM but i think i am now going to hold off and see what the alaskan looks like.

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2006, 01:58:16 PM »
Has anyone been able to locate some pictures of the Ruger "Alaskan" rifle in .375 Ruger......

Or how about some pictures of the ".375 Ruger" ammo, preferably in side by side comparison w/other similar rounds???

I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing some of these rifles & ammo 'hit the shelves' - hopefully by spring or mid summer!!
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