I knew my response would be a little long here & I have put it off since this thread started as I have had a very busy week.
College religion courses, no bias there!
Let's also include what the newspapers think of this matter also & don't forget to ask Hillary.
You say that the Jews were first persecuted by Christians, but I thought the Jews persecuted Jesus & then Paul being a Jew first persecuted Christians before any record of a Jew being persecuted by Christians. Of course you may have meant that Christians persecuted Jews before the Muslims did, doesn't matter as most of what you have been saying is nonsense anyway.
The bottom line is that you want some kind of parity in behavior established between Muslims & Christians & that premise is totally false.
Each item you mentioned to compare the Christians with Muslims is off base. To compare the treatment of Women was my personal favorite. Jesus brought about more liberation than ever to
Women which was carried out through the Christian age. For example, it was the Jewish tradition(and no doubt for the sons of Ishmael as well) to stone Women caught in adultery, but what about Men? So when the Jews asked Jesus about the situation he said, "he who is without sin cast the first stone". Well it takes two to Tango, doesn't it? So then after Jesus asks, "where are your accusers" , he tells her to go & sin no more. Not to keep your head down & be like a dog, but go in peace. The same with the Woman at the well, Jesus knew what her life was, but he did not look at her as sub human, he basically told her to get it straightened out. Paul told us we are told to love
our Wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it, so we are to give ourselves for our Wives. He taught also that Wives are to be in submission but that does not mean that we are to dominate or rule with an iron fist. Same goes concerning the silence in the Church passage, which is in reference to usurping authority, which has to do with the fact that Christ's sacrifice & then the Church was a result of sin, first committed by Woman, it is explained for those who want to study.
This does not have to do with Women being mistreated in the Church, no more than Christ would mistreat the Church just because he is the head of it. And in the same thought the husband is the head of the family & of course the Wife has input & at times if the Wife is right about something then the Husband can agree & say, you are right & let's do it that way, but he still made the final choice. I don't know of any grounded Christians who have a problem with this, but I do know of
Christian critics that don't understand it. Well, too bad, but I don't know of anyone that is getting shot or blown up because of it. Christians do believe in equal work for equal pay & in general opportunity for Women.
Contrast with Muslims who don't believe that their Women should have edu., professional skills, really anything in the way of rights & to be treated like Cattle. This is too silly to discuss.
What religion is as liberating? Muslims, Ha. Hindu, Ha. Various Oriental
religions, Ha. And in what country founded in religious principles that are not Christian do the citizens enjoy the freedoms that we enjoy & at the same time you don't have to participate in that religion.
Please, give me a major break!!!!
TM7, this is just one item you discussed(Treatment of Women)
It would be easy to discuss each one, the slavery issue would be the toughest as the New Testament does not deal with it alot, but yes I have studied that too & it is not as tough as it appears. BTW, you forgot to say that Paul insisted that Philemon treats this man as he returns as a brother or as he would treat Paul. Anyway, more about slavery if you ever want to actually study together & for the sincere reason of seeing the whole story as it relates to Christians.
Yes, I like to do Bible studies with those who may be interested in becoming Christians but who are not sure, but I do not have interest in arguing with those who are looking for problems that they want to create by not looking at the whole scriptures. If you or anyone fall into that first group, that would be great, just e-mail me or PM first.
TM7, all of the other points you have made would not be that tough for me, but again I do Bible Studies for those who want Bible studies, not out of context Bible arguments so that a person can
justify non-Christians groups/ideas, besides this is "Round the Pot Bellied Stove" not Bible time.
TM&, this idea that the Muslims are no more violent than the Christians & other groups is a joke, I feel your presentation is actually an abomination!! I will post in this forum when I desire, & I see no need to put you on ignore as I have nothing against you, but there is no need to respond to me on this thread as I feel this thread is a joke & I have watched you suck-up to the Muslims in other places
and indicate these violent acts by Muslims are our fault.
I am removing myself from this thread & good evening.