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Offline Rick Teal

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Touchy question.
« on: December 06, 2002, 03:39:04 PM »
I'm not at all associated with the outfitting industry, so I can't give you a clear answer.  I know I've heard a lot of tirades by US hunters saying they'll hunt elsewhere rather than comply with the (so called) law, but I don't know if they are or not.  

I think Ontario outfitters have been hurt far more by the spring bear hunt cancellation than C68, but I imagine that every straw piled on makes it harder and harder for the outfitters to survive.  Our governments have no interest in seeing these people survive, and every US hunter who stays home makes it harder for them to get by.

You would think a boycott would wake the government up, but they couldn't care less.  A boycott has its major impact on the outfitters who are already the main victims of both the anti-gun/anti-hunting actions of these governing bodies.
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2002, 08:56:35 AM »
The out of state or canadian hunts seem to be getting more expensive. I know the cost of living is up but still the average person can't afford the $3,000.  to $15,000 (US) to go on a hunt. I has become a rich man sport and possibly with all the antigun crap there are less and less that are still hunting. I was looking at a Idaho elk hunt that would cost about $600. but it turned out to be a spike only or cow tag. I can buy a open bull of spike tag ( depending on hunting area ) for $60. and can spend the remaining $500. on  scouting.  Some  hunts in Colorado and Arizona are over $15,000. for an elk tag plus expenses and a guide. Fred at Bullberry went to Africa, got 4 animals and spent over a week for around $4,000. includung airfair.  Do the math. Some of us were looking into a Caribou hunt but the way it was described to us was, they would find them for us,set us up and lead them to us, some followed them in boats and then set the hunter up to bushwack them when they come out of the water. Maybe thats the way it is but wanted someting more sporting.
Gun laws are another concern. If we get em in can we get em out?  I like to hunt with a S&W 44 mountain gun as backup but  thats out.  I have a friend that traveled thru canada on his way to hunt in Alaska and got stoped and inspected. ( ya it's his own fault ) lost a colt Kodiak
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Touchy question.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2002, 09:29:43 AM »
:( Me for one!C68 drove the final nail for me.Last year it took me 3 1/3 hrs to clear customs,they were looking for a handgun I said atleast 18 times I didn't have.heck they even took the dashpanel off looking for a handgun.I was crossing Alaska in a Kayak on the Yukon,I figured It would take about two months and I neaded something for food and besides you are not the top of the food chain up there.Next summer when I go back up I'm taking the boat,It'scheaper than buying gas foe 3200 milesand and for C68.Besides fishing is just as good down here.Lp[/img]
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Touchy question.
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2002, 08:19:20 AM »
Leadpot:

Our government is really paranoid about handguns, but that predated C68.  You probably would have been hassled 10 years ago if they'd found a handgun then as well.  

I've only once in my life ever (legally) discharged a handgun, and I've never had a sniff at an automatic weapon.  Such are the costs of living in a country that the UN says is the best place in the world to reside. :?  :twisted:

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Touchy question.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2002, 03:59:44 PM »
:D HI Rick.
Rick I'm not the kind of man to carry a grudge,life is to short.
I do love your NW Territory some day I will go up there for a long walk,or Kayak the waterways,I think a guy could get himself lost all summer and enjoy it.Lp.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2002, 04:01:34 PM »
:D HI Rick.
Rick I'm not the kind of man to carry a grudge,life is to short.
I do love your NW Territory some day I will go up there for a long walk,or Kayak the waterways,I think a guy could get himself lost all summer and enjoy it.Lp.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2002, 10:03:55 AM »
Rick:  I am sure danged sorry to hear about all the restrictions on gun ownership and hunting in Canada and the effects it is having on Outfitters and such, because to me you folks are my northern bretheren - better'n being upstairs neighbors.

I don't know what hever happended with my Canadian neighbors - we used to be able to count on them for being their own dependable selves.  We were solid allies during all wars and the Canadian efforts during the American embassy siege in Iran always confirmed that in my book.  You were with us in Afganistan and your snipers were there to back us up.  When we wanted to award those heros your government treated those men so badly we just about wanted to move the revolution further north.

But then you go and say that the UN sez Canada is one of the nicest places to live in the world.  But not for firearms owners.  And, I understand that your crime rates, along with those in England and Australia, are way up because of the effects of the various weapons bans.

I'll tell ya what Buddy.  If you're in Ontario you prolly aren't any more than 5 or 6 hours from where I am in uppa state NY.  You and Ol Tom, the only two Northern Brothers we know of, can come on down anytime you want  and get that chance to shoot a handgun more than once in your life and to do more than just wiff at a semi-auto.  If you come down early enough on Sunday mornings we can have a monster breakfast at teh gun club.

It may be that if a few more Canadian shooters visit and go back up north after some high times shootin' with semi-autos and assault type weapons and rafles and pistols and such, without getting any holes innem, then maybe the rest of your countryfolk will see that guns aren't the threat to the continued existence of mankind that your politicians are.

I'll tell ya - there are only a couple of things that really pizz me off:  hillary klinton and her types are one, the PRK is another, and any political system that bans guns is the third.  

I'm telling ya Boys, it's time fer another revolution.  This be Mikey.

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Touchy question.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2002, 12:40:09 PM »
Mikey:

Thanks for the kind thoughts.

The "autos I was referring to were full automatics.  I understand there are now some restrictions on them in your country too, but there are still some locations and private clubs where people can handle and shoot these things.

Here they're simply prohibited weapons, and we can't even see the things.  I think that everyone who has ever shot a firearm would like to shoot something in full auto, if for no other reason, than just to see what it's like.  However, our goverment feels that allowing us even limited access to them would lead to all forms of evil (drinking, smoking, country music, etc. :shock: ).

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