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Offline Rico

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« on: April 07, 2003, 03:07:18 AM »
I don't want to start a what is the best post here. I've got a contender sitting in the safe that I want to make into a 150 yrd deer getter. What caliber would one suggest for factory loads. I also do not want to put a brake on this.

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2003, 03:23:29 AM »
For a Factory load, without a brake, out to 150yds ..... get a 30-30 barrel.  I've been shooting my 14" 30-30 for years and it is a fun barrel to shoot.  Very accurate, easily managable recoil, tons of relatively cheap factory loads available.  Great deer getter out to 150yds+.

Another option would be the 7-30Waters, but you'll have a much harder time finding factory loads (only one is made, Federal).

Good luck ... Crayfish

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2003, 03:35:36 AM »
I agree with Crayfish.  30-30Win or 7-30Waters would be my choices.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2003, 03:35:39 AM »
Crayfish,

I also have a 14 inch 30-30.  It shoots real good and I like it alot but when I go for deer I usually put on my 10 inch 357Max.  It is just easier to handle and can be shot offhand much easier.

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2003, 03:46:38 AM »
Sixgun - You're absolutely right that the 10" tubes can be shot offhand easier ... I just don't shoot offhand.  I have a "custom" walking/shooting stick I keep with me when I'm hunting with the T/C or I just grab a tree and rest across the top of my hand.   I prefer 14" barrels since I tend to shoot them better and they help reduce the muzzle blast a little.

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2003, 04:25:05 AM »
i would vote for the 7-30 but factory ammo can be a problem.I have 30-30 and 7-30 barrels and both are very good deer rounds.The 7-30 is alittle  more accurate for me than 30-30.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2003, 04:55:19 AM »
Would the 7-30 get me to 200yrds if needed?

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2003, 09:16:46 AM »
with the 120 grainers you should have no problem with expansion or bullet drop at 200 yds.  Your biggest problem will be white gravy or brown!!!
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2003, 09:30:18 AM »
Just shot a deer on red tag with 10" 30-30 at 85 yards.  Deer had no idea I was near and was not running.  It went down instantly with a shot thru heart.  I load sierra 135 30 cal pistol bullets with 37 gr of 846.  Have also used remington core lock factory loads found at walmart for $9/box. Gun is accurate out to 150yds.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2003, 12:13:06 PM »
Cor Bon has ammo available in 300 Whisper, 150 yds may be a stretch for this caliber though.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2003, 12:23:21 PM »
i have read ballistic charts for the 30-30 handgun that state with a 200yard zero and spitzer bullets the highest the bullet gets above the line of site is 4 inches.   that is flat shooting enough for me in a handgun.   i seriously doubt i would ever take a shot at that distance with a handgun anyway.   i am sure the 30-30 would still have enough power to kill cleanly at 200.

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2003, 01:40:13 PM »
Both the 30-30 and 7-30 will get the job done, but as mentioned before, the 7-30 will be harder to get factory loads for.  I prefer the 7-30, but both will do just fine and no harm without a muzzle break
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2003, 01:57:47 PM »
The 30-30 is fine, the 7-30 waters even better but in reading this and other forums I see people make a big deal about availability of certain calibers of ammo. This is rubbish! I will use the example of 7-30 Waters. Most guns shops I have ever been to have  the ammo. I am not talking Wallmart, but any decent gun shop. In the event there are none. Every major catalog sells it. Cabelas, midway etc. They all have internet access and 1-800 numbers. This is where planning comes in. You should have had you ammo well enough in advance to not only sight in but also practice. It's the ethical thing to do. If you have a need to pickup ammo and a sixpack at the local 7-11 on the way to the deer woods I guess that availability would be important to you. if this is the case I am betting on the deer!

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2003, 03:15:34 PM »
Well said Mr. Crane!  Nothing irritates me more than the guy sho buys a 20rnd. box of ammo and they last him 4 or 5 deer seasons.  If you haven't spent at least hundreds of rounds in practice and stockpiled a reasonable amount of your favorite fodder  for future use you're probably just going to give hunters a bad name.

That being said, I'd suggest the 30-30, or the 7-30 where tapered cases are allowed and the 41 or 44 mags, or 454 for straight walls.  Any of the above will do the job properly with proper practice as will many others.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 03:56:48 PM »
I would go with the 45-70. JD Jones refered to it as the 150 yard sledgehammer. This barrel would also help if you decided to hunt bear , elk and moose.

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2003, 03:58:28 PM »
fyi,  grandpa had a box of ammo for over 30 years.   some years he didnt shoot,  other years he shot once.   he grew up during the great depression and every round counted.  the same ethics have been passed on to my dad, and me.   now i do believe in practice, practice. practice,  but there comes a point when you know at distance x the bullet is x high(or low).   does that mean i have to burn 6 boxes of ammo every year to consider myself a "good" hunter ?   if i want to, fine;  but i dont have to.   i love to shoot;  but some dont see it the way i do.   and just because a box of ammo lasts more than one season doesnt mean a hunter isnt proficient with his/her weapon.  
                  oh, and they dont make 454 barrels for the contender.    good shooting folks.

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2003, 09:33:26 PM »
Don't forget about the 44mag. There are many good factory rounds. I like cast bullets. Federal sells 'Cast Core' rounds. Buffalo Bore carries heavy cast bullets loads. I believe Garret has cast bullet loads. The 44 mag may not be as flat shooting as a 30/30 or a 7/30 but will get the job done at 150 to 200 yds. An advantage of the 44 mag. is if you get closer shots where the deer is in brush or woods, the heavier 44mag bullets seems to deflect less then the 30/30 or 7/30 bullets, if you clip unseen twigs between you and the deer.  8)

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2003, 02:46:51 AM »
Practice makes perfect and bullets arn't ment to be shot at game threw brush. I do usually stop at the 7-11 on the way home but it's not to buy ammo. I appreciate all the input.

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2003, 04:01:54 AM »
I have used both the 7-30 Waters and the .30-30 Winchester. In practicle terms there is so little difference between the two that the Deer is not going to know the difference, provided the right bullet is used and that right bullet is put in the right place.

Personally I lean towards the .30 caliber. My reason is simple, .30 Caliber Bullets seem to expand a little more readily than do like weight bullets in 7mm. To me this is an important consideration with Contender Cartridges, as they start out at lower speeds to start with.

Whichever one you choose should provide you with everything you are after.

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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2003, 04:24:11 AM »
Rico

I've got a 30-30 super 14 with 2.5X scope that shoots fantastic with my handloads.  I've never shot a deer at 150 yards but a 30-30 will do the job if you do yours.  My longest shot with this handgun was 128 yards through the heart and one lung.
18 grs. of IMR 4227 with Speer 150gr. FP is my favorite load.  It's not fast but it will shoot sub MOA all day long.  The flat point opens up real well at lower velocity.
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2003, 06:56:27 AM »
Don't forget to take a look at the .375 Win. It's a dandy in the contender.

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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2003, 10:02:54 AM »
Don't forget the 35 remington . The one I had shot like a dream and flawlessly harvested several deer and a pronghorn and would be suitable for slightly larger game. Although I think factory ammo is getting harder to find.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2003, 01:58:45 PM »
Rico, you say you have a contender(with or without a bbl.? If with, what bore size?) and want to use factory ammo. Are you considering rechambering? Bore size will dictate cartridge choice. I don't know if you can consider a factory 30-30 load(round/flat nose) a 200 yd. round. Just some thoughts.  Pat

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2003, 12:17:01 AM »
Rico, you posted 'bullets arn't ment to be shot at game threw brush'. You may hunt in places where you don't have to shoot  through brush, but here in Pennsylvania we are forced to very often. Not that I want to but if I didn't risk hitting twigs and some limbs I would probably never get a shot. I've taken shots at deer in bigger trees and it looks so clear, you would think, no way there are any limbs between me and the deer. I shoot and the deer runs away, unhit. I check the bullet path and will find twigs clipped off, half way to the deer, that I couldn't see through the scope. If you hunt in conditions like this, using a larger caliber like a 44 mag or 45/70, will improve your odds, because the heavier slower bullets will deflect less then a fast light bullet like a 120 gr, in a 7/30 w.. I've hunted in places that if you get a 60 yd shot, thats a longshot. If you didn't shoot through brush you would NEVER get a shot. Sometimes I hunt areas where I set in an open field, near the brush. The deer will run all out across the field, then stop to have a look around just inside of the brush. You get a better shot, but have to shoot through some brush. I just found that the heavy slow bullets do a better job then the fast light bullets. A 35 Rem., 375 Win., 44 mag., or 45/70 will buck the brush, but will still reach out 200+ yds. if a deer is dumb enough to stop in the open field. If you hunt where there is no chance of hitting twigs, then use a 6.5 JDJ. Super flat shooting, low recoil, plenty of power to 300 yds.. The 7/30 is a good long range cartridge. 30 Herret is a nice cartridge. The 30/30 will take deer farther then most people have the ability to.  8)

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2003, 03:33:43 AM »
Joe kool: We owe the game that we persue the utmost respect of a fast clean kill. If I am unsure of a shooting lane; I forfiet the shot. Yes there are times that a unforseen twig jumps in the way; odds are that with whatever gun your using the shot will be missed or worse: wounded game. I am one not to advocate brush busters as you can tell.

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I've have a contender  being under utilized. Currently I have a 44 and 45/410. I really don't need another barrel, I just want one. :roll:  I'm covered on all bases actually with whats in the safe. The longrange aspect just helps me convince myself I need one. :shock:

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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2003, 05:08:22 AM »
I have  a T/C with a 10 inch barrel  in 30-30 . I shoot Nosler  150 gr. B/T
with 31grs. of 3031. I taken deer from 30 out to 200 yds. The past ten years it's worked for  me give it a try ( it's the only thing i hunt with)

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2003, 05:38:15 PM »
Ishoot___Just curious about your 10 ' 30-30 , I just got a 10 incher myself and want to know if and what power scope,do you use, or open sites. Took mine to range did O.K. at 100 yds. with open sites ,still getting use to it, used 150 grn.Win.kept it within 4'.THANKS BAYRUNNER

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2003, 09:42:40 AM »
There are a number of "after-market" factories that produce ammo for wildcats. CNC cartridge for one. Danny's a great guy to deal with and his loads have been great so far. How about a 130 grain hornady SSPB doing 2250fps out of a 14" tube, or a 125 ballistic tip doing 2300? (.30 Bellm) So you don't have to keep your choices to true "factory" loads if you're willing to plan in advance and order your ammo vice picking it up at a gun shop on the way. That's the nice thing about Contenders, I usually take two or three barrels with me and pick the one that suits the conditions. As for big and slow deflecting less...tell that to my buddy who missed a 14 point at 50 yards with a shotgun sabot from a rifled barrel...an ounce going 1700fps hit one little twig just right and went over a foot low and hit the dirt before it got to the deer. Doesn't pay to take a low percentage shot, gives the anti's too much ammo when they find a gut shot deer that no one bothered to track down. My 2 Cents.
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2003, 05:06:02 PM »
I was in South Africa (14 days ago) and shot Zebra (110 yds), Blesbok (210 yds.), Impala and Duiker.  I used .30-30, 14", Nosler Ballistic Tip 150 gr.  The Zebra run 110 yds. before collapsing.  The other animals took 2-3 steps.  Go for the .30-30.  Sverre

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2003, 03:09:42 PM »
Bayrunner. I use a Tasco 4x30 Pro-Class with a parlex not such about the spelling. Hope this helps