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Offline darat100

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scale?
« on: August 14, 2006, 05:02:01 PM »
I have just started loading.  I purchased the lee anniversary kit.  I know everyone says if I stay with it I will want better stuff, but honestly this setup works just fine for me.  I am in no hurry, so it works.

I REALLY hate the scale however.  Looking for suggestions on a scale to purchase.  Needs to be a reasonable price.  Iam not going to spend $100 on a scale.  I might load 150 rounds/month, so lets be realistic. 

Do the low end digital scales work well?  What are the drawbacks? 

Thanks in advance.

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Re: scale?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2006, 05:43:39 PM »
May I suggest what I use? RCBS 750 Rangemaster.Around $84.00 at Midsouth.But which ever digi scale you get,make sure it has an ac convertor with it.Battery power doesn't last as long as you might think..........good luck........Rick
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Re: scale?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2006, 08:56:07 PM »
I recommend the RCBS 505. You should be able to get a new one for about $70-75 from Midway or Midsouth. Personally, I don't like digital scales, they're fine for weighing cases and bullets, but I don't trust them for powder.
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Re: scale?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 03:46:40 AM »
Darat100:

Let's see if we can solve the problem at hand with less expenditure.

I'm one of the guys who recommended the RCBS Rockchucker kit, and did say that you'd probably end up buying better equipment.

However, let's deal with the problem at hand. I know what it's like to keep within a budget.

The problem here is that after you replace the scale, it probably won't be long before you start taiking a strong dislike to the powder measure. If you replace both of those tools, then you'll be at the cost of the RCBS kit, but without the benefits of the better press and the other stuff that comes with it.

Lee used to sell powder scoops that you could use in conjunction with a funnel. You would pick a scoop that got you close to a published load, and then use that scoop to charge your cases. The only thing you needed to use the scale for was to initially verify the charge weight being held in the scoop. After that you just used the scoop without the scale.

Unfortunately I don't see those scoops in the Lee catalog today, however you should be able to easily make them. It will be easier with straight-wall pistol cartridges: Cut a case so that it holds only the amount of powder you need for the charge you want for your pet load. Then fashion a handle and solder it to the case. It should take a couple of hours to do a really nice job, but once it's done, it'll last for as long as you want to use that pet load.

To charge the cases, put enough powder into a bowl so that you can scoop it to get the right volume of powder reliably. Put your funnel on the case to be charged, and pour the powder in. I recommend ball, flake, or very short cut stick powder for consistent scooping volume. It should go very quickly because you'll have all your cases in a charging block. After you've charged each case, visually verify that you have charged all your cases and have not double charged any. Return the unused powder to the original factory container.

If you have a Dremel tool or a grinder, it will take a lot less time. If you don't have those, then get a grinding attachment for your electric drill and use that to shorten the case. I will take a lot less time by grinding that by filing. A fine hacksaw will work for some cases. Chamfer and smooth the mouth of the scoop. You don't need to obsessively clean the inside of the scoop and the spent primer can be left in. You may need to use a card to level the scooped powder. Ball powder will be easier to work with in this regard because a little tapping on the inside of the bowl will be all that's needed to level it.

If you have the grinder or Dremel, then you will find it worthwhile to make multiple scoops for each of several pet loads. Just be sure to mark each scoop so you know what charge weight you are dealing with. I recommend etching the weight and a contracted name of the powder into the scoop. For example 3.5 / BE for 3.5 grains of Bullseye or 4 / 231 for 4 grains of Winchester 231.

The procedure is the same for bottleneck cases. For greatest flexibility in powder selection you may need to pick a case that's bigger than the one you plan to reload. For example, a 7mm remington magnum case to load 30-06. The reason is that you will need to cut the neck and shoulders off the case. If you use the 30-06, then you won't be able to use powders that require powder all the way up into the shoulder.

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Re: scale?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 05:17:18 AM »
By the way, the scoop thing is not breaking any new ground. Blackpowder shooters did it for a long time. I has been recommended in many reloading manuals. George Nonte did some nice writing on handloading on a budget and this technique was included.
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Re: scale?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 05:29:46 AM »
I have one of the Lee Scales and I like it. Take time to read the instructions over and over and I think that you will be happy with the scale....

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Re: scale?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 06:06:22 AM »
Its not really the ability to use the scale, it is the junky manner in which it works.  I have no trouble using it.

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Re: scale?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 08:34:06 AM »
The scoopes are easy enough to find, here ya go:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=943305

$6.50 works for me 8)

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Re: scale?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 08:52:44 AM »
I find the Lee Scoops helpful - I pick the closest size, and use that to dump the powder charge into my digital scale. I then use the scoop as a dribbler to get to the correct weight.

Once I get a rhtyhm going, I find it's the fastest way to charge cases using a scale. Another time saver: I use the Lyman pan with the built in funnel to charge cases.

I find I can get pretty consistent with the Lee scoops, but wouldn't want to load a MAX load with them!

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 10:37:42 AM »
Cool! I wonder why I didn't see them on the Lee site.
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Re: scale?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 11:32:43 AM »
darat100,
I purchased an RCBS Rockchucker kit over 35 years ago.  It came with a 5-10 balance scale.  I have no idea how many powder charges that scale has weighed.  The pan actually has slight etching on it where the powder has been poured from it to the funnel on the case.  That’s lots of powder sliding on down the tube!  Anyhow, I later purchased an RCBS 304 scale.  It costs several hundred dollars and I don’t even think it is made anymore because of the price.  It is severely accurate, in that, I have access to very accurate laboratory scales to verify the 304.  Now then, I have compared the accuracy of the inexpensive 5-10’s also and they are very, very acceptable.  So something along the price of the 5-10 model is what I would choose.  I don’t think you can go wrong with the RCBS inexpensive scales.  I think I would stay away from digital—I have heard and seen calibration problems with several different brands.  I think they are just too sensitive for reloading activities.  Good-luck…BCB

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Re: scale?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 06:00:05 AM »
The Lee kits have way too much plastic for me, but that's what you've got and you need to fix the problem at hand.

Gun shows, friends, or Ebay might provide you with a source of a good, yet inexpensive, measure and scale.  I'm a fan of the RCBS 10-10, but I also bought an RCBS digital, that has always checked against the beam scale within .2gr. 
I shoot benchrest and load at the range.  The RCBS (same as the PACT, but different color) always goes with me, along with the check weights.  I've done well in competition.

So the answer is yes.  The lower end digital scales work just fine.
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Re: scale?
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2006, 10:34:36 AM »
I've used the Lee Scale for years.  It does work and it's accurate.  I've checked mine against a friend's  Ohaus 505.   I have the dippers as well.  They too are accurate for what they are.  I checked 5 different dippers using the Ohaus scale and found them to be dead on (if you can believe that).  I use them as a starting point for measuring powder on the scales.

Having mentioned all of this, I wound up getting an older Ohaus 505 scale (unused) for $22.49 (the self-contained unit w/ a case), shipping bumped it to $32, but that's variable.  Nothing wrong w/ an older, unused scale.  I wanted to be able to actually 'weigh' bullets and cases.  The Lee scale is a 'fill-to-weight' scale and is cumbersome for weighing from zero.

If you don't need more than the 100 grains for measuring charges--I'd stick w/ what you've got.  If you want to spend some money though, check out eBay.


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Re: scale?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2006, 11:08:25 AM »
What's so bad about the Lee scale? Is it not dampered or something?

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Re: scale?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2006, 12:50:51 PM »
If you want to step up the RCBS 5050 or 502 are good choices. In the interm though...something I foud that helps a bit, duct tape your Lee scale to the loading bench. I find that it's to darn light and moves all over when you are trying to adjust it. For what ever its worth....Jim

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Re: scale?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2006, 11:08:13 PM »
I am different.
I do not like things that do not work, and work easily.
I like things that work witout fiddle.
I like things that work all the time.
I like accuracy, witout fiddle.
I like to be able to count on things.
I do not like to buy twice.
I bought a pact electronoc--cut to the chase.
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Re: scale?
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2006, 01:42:33 AM »
I also bought a pact electronic scale after using rcbs 10-10 for years.Frirst got the small one for $89 and liked it so well sold it and bought the larger one.Now I would'nt be without one,very fast and accurate.
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