Author Topic: Muzzle brake on 7mm tcu New Information! (Read 1050 times)

barnabus · « **on:** August 17, 2006, 03:21:02 PM »

I apologize for not giving all the information. My TCU barrel needed rebluing so I called and they said they could reblue it for $75 but can put a muzzle brake on it for $85. which includes the blueing of the barrel for that price so thats why I was considering the brake as well as being a little recoil senitive.Now with that tidbit of info would you do the same? I think its a good deal seeing I need a blueing job.So whats your thoughts ?

MePlat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2006, 03:36:45 PM »

Go ahead and get one because you will not be satisfied until you do. Its not needed but in your mind you have convinced yourself it is needed. See what the mind can do. If you think it is needed on that cartridge what would you want on an Encore in 454 Casull, 460 S&W, 500 S&W or a caliber like those?
Go ahead and get it. You will be better off.

rickyp · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:50:32 PM »

barnabus, From reading your post I think you should sell off the 7 TCU and use the money to buy a 22 long rifle or a 17 hm2. something with no kick at all.

HL · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:39:42 AM »

A brake on that caliber is a total waste of money.

Tommyt · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:52:41 AM »

Quote from: barnabus on August 17, 2006, 03:21:02 PM

I apologize for not giving all the information. My TCU barrel needed rebluing so I called and they said they could reblue it for $75 but can put a muzzle brake on it for $85. which includes the blueing of the barrel for that price so thats why I was considering the brake as well as being a little recoil senitive.Now with that tidbit of info would you do the same? I think its a good deal seeing I need a blueing job.So whats your thoughts ?

Barnabus
I've read all your recent posts and I feel I need to ask
Do you shoot and do you shoot often
you seem Quite upset with shooting a Contender 10 inch barrel
It is not a kicker you may want to shoot with someone that can give you a few Pointers
I get this feeling that you have a Death grip hold on that TC and that is BAD for you and the target

barnabus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:37:47 AM »

Tommy,

No I do not shoot it that often.Im shooting 28 grains of H322 120 Nosler BT. I also believe that I may be putting a death grip on it to help me control it.I have very small hands with short fingers.Im using pacmyer combat finger grips.No one I know or have ever seen at our range shoots a contender..usually no one is ever there to ask for help. I dont have a desire to shoot anything bigger than my TCU, 44mag so getting a larger handgun just to prove how little recoil my TCU has is a bigger waste of money than having a muzzle brake installed.

I just want to be able to shoot this thing alot so I can get better at it but after about 30 rds or so I get tired of the recoil.I know I need to shoot it more but thats about the limit for me.I have a mild case of carpan tunnel from playing the drums so Im looking for a way to continue to shoot it comfortable. If I shoot more and shoot correctly I should be benefiting from the practice but not at the expense of pain.I have killed a few deer with this gun when I first got it some 15 years ago.I killed enough deer with a rifle and Im looking for some excitment.I can group three shots under 1.5 at 60-75 yards.I think this is good enough for close woods shooting but I would eventually like to take it to 100 yards max but I cant get there 30 shots at a time. Im no whimp but at the same time I dont feel a need to take any non needed punishment to prove Im a big bore handgunner either.

Tommyt · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2006, 12:28:33 PM »

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don't have a desire to shoot anything bigger than my TCU, 44mag so getting a larger handgun just to prove how little recoil my TCU has is a bigger waste of money than having a muzzle brake installed

thanks for not taking my post wrong YOU shoot the 44 Mag YEIKS!!! that's all I can say

I sold mine due to the fact that it snapped so bad .......not pleasant to shoot at all
as to you tcu do you shoot off bags Have you ever shoot one handed off bags
Think about a Taco Hold this may help you alot .The 7tcu is going to come back a bit, but if you allow it to as like a flip up
IT WILL NOT snap Back like a 44
Why not put up a new post on GB's as TO the HOW TO"s when shootin a TC there is alot of help here and I'm really not good typing to tell it all and I'm not the best teacher either
Good Luck in your furture shootin
I also started to use the pistol Deer & Hog hunting to bring it to a different level

jhalcott · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:51:15 PM »

barnabus,put the brake on the gun and ENJOY your self .I have a friend who put a brake on a 22 because he wanted to.
Some body said the mind is a funny thing.If you THINK it will help,it most likely WILL.You do NOT have to practice with full on hunting loads! Cut them back with lighter bullets and powder charges.30 good rounds are better than 100 wild ones. Remember to wear ear protection when using a braked firearm! read that again,it is important!
I suffer from carpal tunnel and some arthritis from working in the mill for 35 years. I shoot a 358JDJ and a 45-70 braked. I also have a 6.5 JDJ that is braked.You want to be a hero to the guy watching you shave! NOT some guy you don't know.Besides these guys aren't gonna be there at the range with you.

MePlat · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2006, 03:13:00 PM »

On my first post on this second thread about the muzzle brake I said the same thing for him to go for it and get the brake. There are many people that know what they want they just want to get a concensus on it to make them feel more sure of themselves so they post on a forum about it. There is nothing wrong with that. Personally I don't do it myself because if I want something I couldn't care less what any other somebody thinks as it is my dime.
I say he should get one simply because he wants it but there is no way under the sun he would convince any knowledgeable shooter that one is needed on a caliber such as this one.
He should have fun and more power to him

ilv2hnt · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2006, 05:18:36 AM »

I say he should get one simply because he wants it but there is no way under the sun he would convince any knowledgeable shooter that one is needed on a caliber such as this one.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER SHOT ANY HOT LOADS WITH SOME HEAVY WEIGHT BULLETS IN A 10" BARREL OFF-HANDED, YOU PROBABLY SHOOT OFF OF SANDBAGS DAILY IN YOUR BACKYARD.
THIS CALIBER IS A VERY MILD CALIBER, I DO AGREE WITH THAT, i EVEN HAVE MY 12 YEAROLD SHOOTING MINE, BUT WITH 100 GR HP'S, I WOULDN'T DARE THROW A 175 GRAINER IN THERE AND LET HIM SHOOT IT AT FULL VELOCITY
AS FOR KNOWLEDGEABLE SHOOTER, I KNOW MANY SEMI-PRO SHOOTERS THAT SHOOT 223'S (ENCORE AND CONTENDER) OR 308'S DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND HAVE A MB ON THEM, DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT THAT IS MY MOTTO

WOULD YOU SHOOT A 16" TC 45-70 WITHOUT A BRAKE, BUDDY IF YOU DO YOU BETTER HAVE SOMEBODY BEHIND YOU TO CATCH IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HOLD IT, BUT I KNOW A GUY THAT SHOOTS A 14" 45-70 W/O M/B AND ACTUALLY LOVES IT (HE HAS THE MONEY TO GET ANYTHING HE WANTS) BUT HE ADMITS HE WOULDN'T HUNT WITH IT, BECAUSE OF THE RECOIL
IF YOU THINK THE 7 TCU DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECOIL, I WILL SEND YOU SOME LOADS THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED IN 5 DIFFERENT FRAMES AND BARRELS THAT WILL MAKE YOU THINK YOU JUST FIRED A 44 MAGNUM BLACKHAWK ONE-HANDED (NOT THAT THAT ISN'T MANAGEABLE, IT IS JUST UNNECESSARY WHEN YOU CAN USE A MB)
GRANTED I DON'T HUNT DEER WITH THIS, JUST HOGS!! AND AN OCCASIONAL PAPER TARGET (WHEN I AM FEELING FRISKY, )

MePlat · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2006, 08:27:51 AM »

ilv2hnt Let me clue you in on a few things about myself. I have several Handguns both revolvers and singleshot. I in fact do have a 45/70 Encore that I have shot 550 gr hardcast GC bullets from at 1500 fps. No brake just the tapered 15 inch barrel. I also have a 458 Win Mag barrel and also a 50 alaskan barrel. These wear brakes.
I have no problem with brakes on a barrel but to say that a 7 TCU needs one is plain foolish. Do I shoot ocassionally from the bench yes I do.
Still does a 7 TCU need a brake? No. I also have a buddy that has a 30/06 Encore 15 incher that he shoots without a brake and does very well with it offhand and from the bench too.

Don't assume anything about me as you don't know me ok. Have you shot the calibers I have? BTW the 45/70 without the brake with 1550 fps 550gr loads recoil muchy worse that either the 458 at 1900 fos with a 500 grainer or the 50 alaskan with surplus 700 gr BMG bullet at 1400.

I think I know recoil.

Oh and BTW I do have a 7TCU but haven't shot it in quite some time as I prefer the bigger more powerful calibers.

Barely Tame · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2006, 12:00:39 PM »

Hey, the guy was trying to process his thoughts with other people who might have some input. I think that's great and it's one of the things I really like about this forum. He didn't ask to be insulted! What? Some guys just have to be THE AUTHORITY, or is it to prove who has the biggest balls? Take a pill to reduce your testosterone and treat this fellow shooter with the respect he deserves. If he wants a MB, give him the information he wants (and your opinion -- if you can offer it in a less childish way) and then wish him well on his way. This sophmoric behavior serves only to give this great forum a black eye! Grow up!!!!!

Barely Tame · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2006, 12:01:59 PM »

Hey, the guy was trying to process his thoughts with other people who might have some input. I think that's great and it's one of the things I really like about this forum. He didn't ask to be insulted! What? Some guys just have to be THE AUTHORITY, or is it to prove who has the biggest balls? Take a pill to reduce your testosterone and treat this fellow shooter with the respect he deserves. If he wants a MB, give him the information he wants (and your opinion -- if you can offer it in a less childish way) and then wish him well on his way. This sophmoric behavior serves only to give this great forum a black eye! Grow up!!!!!

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2006, 12:01:59 PM »

Thye orignal question revolved around whether it made sense to spend an additional $10.00 when getting a barrel refinished to get a brake installed. I had the same choice on a .222 Super 14 a few years ago and decided not to get the brake because of the noise factor. Funny how this thread got personal fast. It doesn't make much sense to question anyone's manhood because they asked a question. Also, it is hard for any of us to judge another's recoil tolerance.

My recommendation would be for Barnabus to shoot a braked Contender. I just had to be at the range when someone was shooting a .223 with a brake for me not to want one. It was LOUD!

rickyp · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2006, 12:06:54 PM »

I my self have a 12 inch 454 with no break as well as a 15 inch tapered 45-70 with out a break and a 15 inch 209x50.
I use 300 gr cast bullets in the 454 and 405 gr cast bullets in the 45-70 these are both a very big handfull with. I have had several 7 MM tcu barrels and used most listed loads and a few that is not listed. THe 7 mmTCU is nothing compaired to teh 454.

A break on a 7 mm TCU is not needed but if he really wants one then by all means he should put one on it. Just make sure you put on hearing protection

barnabus · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2006, 01:37:05 PM »

Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to my post without the slighted comments.I have sat and read the answers for this post the past couple of days and a few times I actually regretted posting the question but am pleased that someone got back to the meat of my question which was ...would it help and was it cost effective for an extra few bucks. Im still not positive if I will put a brake on it or not but one thing is for sure..If I do Im keeping my mouth shut about it ! Ha Ha Thanks again everyone!

Barely Tame · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2006, 05:44:28 PM »

My only regret is that you came away from this thread feeling that way. Good luck with your decision. Either way, enjoy shooting!

Ron

Tommyt · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2006, 11:35:28 AM »

Quote from: barnabus on August 20, 2006, 01:37:05 PM

I actually regretted posting the question but am pleased that someone got back to the meat of my question which was ......................................I will put a brake on it or not but one thing is for sure..If I do Im keeping my mouth shut about it ! Ha Ha Thanks again everyone!

Just remember there are no stupid Questions just stupid answers
I wish you the best in what ever you CHOOSE

I just wish for you they gave you shooting tips oppsed to expressing their Manly hood and then derailing it in that direction opposed to Helpful Tips
Once again Good luck

xphunter · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2006, 12:08:15 PM »

Barnabus,
I like brakes for several reasons. One, it allows just about anyone to shoot my SP's (Especially my children). Two, it allows me to use rifle scopes on my SP's if I so desire (I use both LER's and rifle scopes on mine & switch back and forth depending on the primary task at hand). Third, some of my SP's would not be enjoyable to shoot otherwise. Fourth, it would be more difficult to do precision work non-braked with some of my SP's.
Negatives are added: weight, cost, length, and noise.
Four of my SP's are not braked and all that are can be removed.

Main thing is this, if you want one, get one.
If you don't like it you can always sell your barrel and get another non-braked barrel.
If you weigh the pros and cons and decide to keep it the way it is, that is fine too.

If, it only adds $10 to the overall cost, I would say that is incredibly cheap for a brake.
If they are going to charge you $85 for the brake on top of the $75 rebluing fee = $160
Is it worth it to you to spend the money to see if you like/prefer a brake?
I for one, would be curious what you think of it, if you get one. You could PM me if you so desired.
Good luck in your decision.

pastorp · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2006, 12:42:01 PM »

treating posters with dignity and respect sure would encourage them to post. Unfortunally there are a few blow hards that find this hard to do.

I am one that, due to some medical problems, have had to give up my big bores. A few years ago I owned 4 Freedom arms revolvers at the same time. Now even working the controls on a 1911 is becoming dificult. Whatever your opinion about this dosen't change my condition.

I've even seen some put down folks because they could not afford a certain brand of gun or scope. Or perhaphs they just didn't see the need for a $1000.00 whatever. Good grief guys arn't we all members of the shooting faternity. Whats more important pressing our opinion on everyone or having fun and encouraging our fellow shooters. Regards, Byron

Keith L · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:29:15 PM »

My shooting coach has a 1911 with four ports on the top of the barrel. It is a smooth, easy gun to shoot. My Smith 4506 has enough recoil so I have a hard time double tapping with it. My coach's gun is a breeze. I got a 9MM Glock for carry and personal protection, but would prefer the 45ACP.