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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2006, 12:03:33 PM »
I have been small game hunting with the 17 HMR for last 2 yrs love it but and big but you have to hit the head (and it will do it if you can) or rib shot or nothing left to eat long shot on squirrel big fox squirrel I mean was 157 long steps (I`am 6' 3" ) with my Dad 67yrs and my son 8yrs that did not see it but with a 6-24X40 AO I did love it but been thinkin some thing different want 22 mag or 28 ga like the old timers did it ..............John P.S. 22 Mag will never Die like the 28 ga. maybe little slow in sells but never die 

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2006, 02:30:43 AM »
The the 28 ga. H&R Pardner shotgun is very inexpensive and fun to hunt with.

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2006, 02:13:44 PM »
5mm magnum? Now there was a joke! Two years on the market and then gone!!! ;D

A severe case of hard headedness from Remington.  At the time it was introduced in the 591/592, Remington did not offer any rifle in .22WMR because, I guess, it had Winchester in it.  So, they developed a competing round, the 5mm which had special features in the bolt to keep the rims from blowing off from the pressure.  Either Remington would not allow anyone else to produce rifles for it, or the other manufacturers did not want to go to the trouble to do the banjo work to modify their actions to handle the case pressures.  Idunno exactly.  Not to mention the cost of the ammo was very high even in comparison to the WMR at the time.  Why they didn't just offer the 581/541 rifles in .22 WMR is beyond my comprehension.  They just now seem to be getting a clue.  They were smart enough to recognize that the .17HMR was the "next big thing" and once they designed a rifle for it, the 22 mag is a no brainer.  Anyway, I hope to see them offer some more rimfires in 17HMR and 22Mag.

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2006, 03:43:41 AM »
A pretty frugal guy's response, and nothing more....

I personally don't see anything that the 17HRM can do that a .17cal centerfire can't do, plus the centerfire is reloadable.

I've hunted with a friend's 17HRM and it was a very flat shooting, hard hitting round.  We've taken coydogs out to 152 yards with it adn I've heard of drops at around 175 yards.  But I can do the same with my .223 and it cost about a third of the price when I reload.

As for the 17M2, I ALMOST bought one in the Savage MKII, but they had one in 22lr so I got it.  I really like the round, just don't like the $6 a box for the ammo.  My highest priced 22lr is only $4 a box, and a fifty round box last a hunting season.  I can shoot up 200 rounds rimfire at a outing when target shooting, more if the Princess comes with me.

But, for those who don't wnat to reload or cast, I guess its a great round.

The one "good" thing that 17HRM did was bring the price of 22mag shells down to around $7 a box.  And the gun shops still carry them.......

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2006, 05:55:51 AM »
Hi Leftyred, I use my .22 Mag mostly for coyotes but your .17 HMR response has me interested in using it for coyotes also. What .17 HMR ammo do you use for coyotes? Have you tried any other .17 ammo for hunting coyotes? What are the terminal results of the .17 HMR on coyotes at different ranges? Thanks....<><.... :)
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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2006, 11:59:38 AM »
Last days for the 22Mag? I personally don't think so. There are too many out there and too many being manufactured. The best thing for 22Mag shooters I believe was the introduction of the little 17's. As all the 22WMR ammo I have seen has gone down in price. But phased out? I don't believe that will happen. It's just another tool for hunting.
Got to agree.  There are far too many 22WMR rifles and pistols out there for the ammo to go away any time soon.  Remember, there is still enough of a market out there for more than one ammo maker to produce new .22WRF[/u].  When was the last 22WRF rifle made?
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2006, 04:03:27 PM »
Hi Leftyred, I use my .22 Mag mostly for coyotes but your .17 HMR response has me interested in using it for coyotes also. What .17 HMR ammo do you use for coyotes? Have you tried any other .17 ammo for hunting coyotes? What are the terminal results of the .17 HMR on coyotes at different ranges? Thanks....<><.... :)

I used CCIs out of my buddy's NEF.

The pelts are a mess at any range!  I haven't been able to save anything with the 17HRM.  It just explodes out the other side.  Possums act like they hit a landmine at around 100 yards!

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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2006, 04:57:52 PM »
I figure the 17 HMR put a dent in sales of 22 WMR, but don't think neither will disappear!
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2006, 05:03:03 PM »




 Possums act like they hit a landmine at around 100 yards!





Same with rabbits.   :)

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2006, 05:46:24 AM »
I dont think it will every go away the 17 and 22 fill different niches.  I do think that the 22 mag is a better hunting round if you tend to eat what you kill, the hmr just makes a mess out of things, thats why i got rid of mine. 

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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2006, 10:18:34 AM »
Yes the 22 magnum is in its last days thats why CCI is coming out with a new 30gr. V-max olad at 2,200fps.!!!!!! ;) And if its anything like the +V or TNT it will be going 2,300fps!!!!! Yes no more 22 magnums! ::)

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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2006, 02:54:40 PM »
The 17HMR if anything has made the WMR more popular.

I agree. Before the 17 HMR, I had hardly an interest in the rimfires, 'cept for my 10/22 for squirrel hunting a few times per yr.  Now I've got a 17 HMR Sportster that I love and will probably keep for a long time, if not forever, and the urge to get a WMR next.

Figuring how much it costs just to get a barrel from NEF ( which isn't expensive, BTW ) , I see myself getting a whole new rifle instead for a few dollars more. Why not, you can't ever have too many! ;D

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2006, 02:58:17 PM »
Unless you can get a used barrel for a lot less, I paid $50 shipped for mine, doesn't shoot as good as the 17hmr and 17M2, but I didn't expect it to, so I'm happy. ;)

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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2006, 03:03:13 PM »
Quick, did you have to do much fitting with the mag barrel?  $50 aint bad. ;)

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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2006, 03:12:50 PM »
Just depends, I had to epoxy a shim on the underlug of mine, but lots of barrels require little or no fitting, just depends, they aren't a one-size-fits-all like a TC.....yet!! See the barrel fitting info in the FAQs and Help sticky in the Centerfire forum, there's a link above this thread to it.

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2006, 08:03:33 PM »
got a marlin 925 m. today at G.I.joes $199.00       anyway its a 22mag. and i have been looking for one for quite some time, i like this caliber. if you can't make a head shot why take it???

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« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2006, 06:09:56 AM »
I doubt it's going anywhere but in regards to improving accuracy I think they are going the wrong direction with lighter grain ammo for the majority of factory guns.  Most 22lr's shoot best with 36-40 grain ammo.  The 22mags I had did the same........better accuracy at 100 yards with 40 gr.  There are exceptions but not many.  The 22lr can be accurate with higher quality ammo.  There is no current "higher quality match type ammo" for the 22mag and the newer stuff they come out with is 34-30 grains yet like 22lr's most have the same 1-16 twist and same original engineering PLUS current test fires with 40gr ammo.  Put a high quality 40 gr ammo in the line up for 22mag and you will like have a bunch of moa to sub moa,5 shot @ 100, factory rifles out there.  I would like to see that.

But there is more.  Faster sells and faster/lighter helps with fragmenting bullets which a 22mag just like a 22Hornet is not noted for with 40 hp ammo and slow 1-16 twists ...........low bullet rpm's,fairly heavy bullet,modest velocities = less than ideal fragmeting bullets for varmints which do add kill power rather than just punch a hole through.  They are offering likely better quality 22mag ammo but at the expence of accuracy in most 22mag's.  Regardless of if the bullet frags or not accuracy is still the bottom line for kill power, fraging on varmints just adds a plus factor.  The 40 grain also brings the highest bc and a round nose needs all the help it can get.

So imo they are going backwards.  I would much rather see 40 gr hp ammo that was made by Eley,Federal,etc. that was simular to match grade 22lr ammo in quality despite the upcharge which would likely be a solid $15.00 per box of 50 or more.  I would like to see what it could do with such.  Likely I would see many 5 shot @100 moa factory rifles both new and old.  It would increase the range on varmints with the 22mag because I don't care which rim mag you shoot nor which bullet type (frag or mushroom) at a certain distance on decent sized varmints (forget the ground rats for a moment)   like Woodchucks,Rock Chucks (marmots) and P-Dogs it becomes a head shot game at distance and accuracy rules.

To date my rim mag pick for Woodchucks is a 17hmr having shot plenty with both.  It offers tons of fragmentation at close range for off hand shots to the upper body of woodchucks (fast 1:9 twist,high rpms,high fps,light bullet = fragmenting/exploding=increase kill power) and past 100 yards the ft.lbs of energy equal out and the HMR is just wasy more accurate in most factory offerings for head shots.  Meaning it kills woodchucks better and further for me with out any doubt.

I would like to see the 22wmr get the "right" ammo for it............for once.  And just like many years ago it still holds true today.  Give it some match quality 36-40 grain ammo like the 22lr.  Have Eley pump out some 36 gr hollow points like the "white rabbit" 22lr ammo.  I have little doubt the 22mag would then shine in the accuracy department.  I would like to see this.........

If you want 30 gr rim mag ammo and for it to shoot moa in most guns they really need to start over with a 20 caliber rim magnum and a spitzer bullet.  In the mean time give the 22mag some 36-40 grain match ammo and watch it shine  :)  Most shoot decent with the Winny 40 gr Super X crap now.  Think what it would do with some 36- 40gr match quality ammo.
 

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2007, 04:41:49 AM »
22 mags are just like any other rifle they are going to like what they like in ammo bullet weight! And as far as match grade magnums, why in the world would anybody want subsonic mag ammo? ::) For hunting you can't beat the 22 magnum, if you want to punch holes in paper shoot a match grade 22LR!

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« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2007, 05:12:12 AM »
Good rational thinking mag-check. If you want to shoot a subsonic .22 Mag shoot a .22 LR with regular velocity ammo for a lot less money, unless you buy that expensive target ammo....<><.... :)
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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2007, 12:13:50 PM »
Nothing to do with "subsonic ammo" nor was it mentioned.  Just higher quality 36-40 gr ammo like is available for 22lr by Eley and others in hp form.

Subsonic in a rim mag  ::)

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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2007, 11:38:38 AM »
Match quality 22 mag ammo? And then would you get a match chamber for your magnums? ::)And then you would have to make the ammo subsonic because all match grade ammo is subsonic! And I don't understand the 36 to 40gr. match ammo? And I don't think you understand it either! ;D Do you even know what match grade ammo is? Or match grade bullets? I always enjoy reading your stuff Bill you make me laugh! I do have some good articles in SCN and Precision shooting on what match grade is, maybe you can call them and get some back copies and read up on the subject. Because you really need too! ;D

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Re: .22 Magnum. Is it in its' last days or not?
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2007, 03:00:56 PM »
I suppose it depends on regulations, too. The .22 WMR never got a fair shake up here in Connecticut, because the largest chambering you could carry on state land (where us plebes hunt) was .22 Long Rifle. But this year it changed. The regulations now contain a blurb about using .17 rimfires where .22 LR ammunition is allowed. So there is one advantage that a rimfire .17 has over a centerfire: It's legal to hunt with here.

Over the long run? Hmm... As far as rimfires go, both the 17 HMR and the 22 WMR aren't exactly cheap to feed. I was in a gunshop the other day when one of the customers looked at a box of HMR ammo and figured it cost 23 cents a shot. I commented that my 45 Colt handloads cost 22 cents a shot. When I was a kid, I thought a "magnum" .22 rimfire was an "awesome" idea, but I did not hear much praise about the accuracy of the available rifles. Yet the .22 WMR lives on, while the only evidence that the 5mm ever existed is the corroded old empties that you find under the topsoil at outdoor ranges.

Now, the .22 WMR has had its ups and downs, and it's still with us. I think a good measurement would be to look at what Marlin and Ruger offer. Both of these companies are high-volume, general-interest sellers. I know that Ruger has been experimenting with their own dopey creations of late, but in general, the combination of these two companies' catalogs gives us a good idea of what people are buying. Both still offer rifles in 22 WMR as of this year. When they drop the 22 WMR chambering, then I will say the cartridge is in its last days.