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Offline Phoneman

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Montana black bear
« on: August 30, 2006, 04:08:28 PM »
Hey guys
I'm going on a bear hunt for the first time. montana is spot and stalk. Would a 30-30 or 35 rem. be too small? Hornady is making leverution bullets now and the ballistics are pretty good out to 300 yards. I'm wanting to use a lever gun since I'm not fond of bolt actions. (personell preference).
Any info would be good. thanks

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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2006, 05:09:02 PM »
Either will do just fine.
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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2006, 05:13:08 PM »
I agree BUT you're kidding yourself if you think the Hornady plastic tipped bullets make either a 300 yard round.


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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 02:00:34 AM »
Graybeard is right, neither will make a 300 yard gun, I doubt I would try a shot over 150 yards with either.
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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 11:14:37 AM »
I've shot two bears in Montana years ago. A 150yd cartridge is all I'd have need. I've spotted lots of bears up there, again, a 150 yd cartridge is fine. The need for a 300 yd cartridge is more a matter of state of mind than reality. People kill animals with bow and arrows EVERYWHERE!
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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 05:07:09 PM »
Just going by there ballistics. If I didn't think I could get closer than 150 yards to a bear I wouldn't go. I've never shot anything bigger than a coyote over 60 yds. Since they make other types of cartridges for the 30-30 and 35 rem. would something else work better? I understand shot placement is everything but i'm looking for a clean kill. Thanks

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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 05:48:48 PM »
If I were going to hunt black bear with the .35 Remington my first choice in ammo would be the Buffalo Bore load with the 220 Speer at 2200 fps. My second choice would be any brand with the 200 RN bullets that made it famous. If I were going to use the .30-30 I'd use any factory load with a 170 grain bullet.

If you're going to reload them yourself then load those same bullets I mentioned above. That's the way I'd do it.


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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006, 06:15:26 PM »
Phoneman...the new Hornady ammo should be good for deer sized game out to 200 yds. and should be great for black bears over bait as well.  IMO, I don't think it's the .30-30 or .35  is the right load/caliber for a spot/stalk type hunt where you could have a longer shot. The Buffalo Bore load Greaybeard suggested is better, but I don't have any first hand knowledge/experience on how it would perform at 200 yds., so I'll reserve comment.

Regarding the new Hornady ammo, the jury is still out! We should have alot of input after, and during, the upcoming hunting season. I will be trying it also and I hope I get a chance to use it.

I would think an '06  or .308 would be a good choice for a spot/stalk type hunt. Granted I am partial to both. I took my bear over bait with an '06 through both lungs. He was dead on his feet and went only about 50 ft.

If I were planning your type hunt, I'd plan for the worst case scenario...a better than average size bear, at 200-250 yds., that will not give you a chance for a closer shot. Personally, I'd opt for the '06, but either of these calibers will work nicely. Its better to have a little extra 'juice' and not need it, than the reverse. You don't want to take a chance on loosing a bear, any bear, because the load/caliber used was too light. 

As far as the type of rifle, my preferences are pumps and semi-autos because I like to have a fast follow up shot if needed. The rifles I have shoot very well. Let us know what you decide.

Good luck...NYHunter

PS Unless you make a head, neck, or spine shot, or break both shoulders, 99% of the time bears will generally run even when hit well, so don't panic. They don't go far!

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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 05:52:19 AM »
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Re: Montana black bear
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 05:04:02 AM »
Phoneman,

If you are comfortable with the .35 Remington or .30-30 and are willing to personally limit shots to your personal limitations (and those of the weapon, ie. 125-150 yards) I see no reason why you shouldn't use them.  I've lived and hunted here for 4 years, most black bears I saw were much closer than 100 yards, only one being 400 yards away.  I could have shot one at 40 yards several years ago and passed (opting my brother (out of state hunter) the shot and he miffed it).  At any rate, our bears don't get too awful big, if you shoot a 300 pound bear out here it's a good bear.  Most are less than 225.  Practice with what you are comfortable with, use a good ammo (I have had some issues with 220 Speers in my .35 Marlin feeding, but haven't tried enough yet to make a determination) and enjoy your hunt.  Good luck.
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