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New Handi!
« on: September 02, 2006, 12:31:10 PM »
I picked up a .45-70 today.  I really like it!  Maybe I'll send the reciever in to H&R and get a couple of barrels fit.  I'd like a .30-30 and a .357.

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2006, 12:48:28 PM »
"Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" -  Mark Twain

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 06:54:56 AM »
Sounds like you're off to a good start!!! Range time is getting hard to come by this time of year, they're real busy with all the sight in folks, not a great time for just shootin. :(

Tim
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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 06:18:14 PM »
 Some things, like getting range time this time of year, require taking a day off from work!  Today is Labor Day and tomorrow will find me at the range, most probably by myself!!!  Thank God, too, because twice I've been there and had people have firearms discharge unexpectedly.  Spooks me to be there with other people.  One was a .50 cal. smoke pole that misfired.  Dude didn't leave his gun pointed down range and when he sat the gun down on the buttstock, he sent a big hunk of lead through the roof!!!  Another time was a little .22 Magnum and the guy thought the gun was unloaded, pulled the trigger (WHY?) and shot a hole in the roof again.  This guy was a retired cop!!!!  Most often I just go out back and shoot but I'm limited to a hundred yards.  Better that than have 300 yards to shoot and wind up dead. Be careful!!! 

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 06:34:27 PM »
Time isn't a problem for me being retired, the problem is there's only one rifle range here for a county population of well over 400,000, plus those shooters that come from Oregon which are a lot from the Oregon plates in the parking lot. The other public range closed recently, so all those shooters have to come to the private range on Fri, Sat or Sun, the only days it's open to the public. From April to August, the range is open to the public on Wed and Sun, membership cost $200 a year plus at least 4 work parties, that's the alternative to be able to shoot on Fri and Sat as a non member or walk-in during the Apr-Aug. Sept thru Nov the range is open for "sight in days" and gets real busy until deer season opens the middle of Oct. It is a nice range with a 100yd small bore and muzzleloader range, a 50m handgun range and a 100-200-300yd range, all covered shooting positions, with 2 or 3 range offiicers present at all open hours. Non-member range visits are $15 a day.

Tim
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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 06:46:33 PM »


I wish we had something like that here in the St.Louis area...We have a couple of state run ranges..and only 100 yards max...

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 01:45:20 AM »

 I feel for all you people that have to go to ranges and pay,
 Then some guy sits down loud Mag which he can not shoot.
 My son and I have land where we could shoot up to about 800 yds.
  You all take care. Marv.
 
 

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 03:21:06 AM »
I have a lot of blackpowder and Pyrodex.  What do you think about using it in the .45-70?

Swampman,  There isn't any problem using your black powder (or Pyrodex) but when using black powder you should use different loading techniques than smokeless powder.  The first time I tried I simply loaded 70 grains of black powder (by volume) seated the bullet and test fired.  The bore of my rifle was extremely dirty and there was a lot of leading, and I could cover a ten shot group with a dollar....'a dime here, a dime there, etc.".  Since I usually do things backwards, I THEN decided to do a little research.  I would suggest that you do your own research, there are several web sights that provide information, but a few things I learned were:

1.  The amount of black powder should be enough to permit the bullet to compress the powder about 1/8 inch.

2.  A drop tube should be used to pour the powder into the case, this causes the powder to settle and be more compressed.  A copper tube about 18 inches or so should work.

3.  A wad should be used because it helps clean the bore and protect the base of the bullet (my opinion on the bullet base).  I make my own wads from tablet backing cut out on a drill press with a steel 45 ACP case with a sharpened rim, you can buy wads also and tools to cut wads.

4.  Use a 'soft' bullet lube, I make my own using 50% beeswax and 50% lard.  There are lots of concoctions that people use and they all probably work, just make sure it is not the hard lube like you would use for pistol bullets.  The soft lube helps keep the fouling in your bore soft.

My black powder loads now shoot on par with my best smokless powder loads but I don't have much black powder.  In your case if you have an abundance of black pwder and Pyrodex it would certainly be worthwhile. 

Roudy


Oh, almost forgot, the smoke cloud and smell of burnt black powder is a real benefit!

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2006, 02:21:00 PM »
Hey Quick,
  Man, it sounds like getting to the range is like trying to get into the Oval Office.  That's depressing.  Do you know anyone who owns a farm where you could take a rangefinder and mark off a spot with a good mountainside as a backstop?  I guess I really should appreciate what I have more than I do.  I'm very fortunate to be able to just walk out the back door and shoot. Thanks for helping me keep that in perspective.

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2006, 02:43:51 PM »
.308Win, there's no place in the county that's legal to shoot, except the range, there's a county ordinance against it! I do take my portable shooting bench with me on scouting trips, that's my ace in the hole for this weekend, that's 100 miles away tho!!

Tim

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2006, 06:47:35 PM »
Tim, 
  I take it you live somewhere in Oregon.  It doesn't sound to me like the people in the local government are pro-gun at all. Well, at least you do have one place, albeit a long distance from home.

  That's a good looking shooting table.  Did you buy that or did you make it?  Good luck on your scouting trip this weekend.  I'm going out to put up some stands this weekend myself.  Our bow season in Kentucky started the second day of this month and runs through until the middle of January.  Modern gun season is the middle of November, during the rut and we get two different black powder seasons, the first for only a couple of days in October and another for a week in December. I don't bowhunt them right now anyway.  The whitetail fawns still have some spots on them this time of year and I believe they start the season a little too early these days.  I shot a fat doe a couple of years ago at the first of the season and I didn't realize she had a fawn with her.  The fawn bawled for a long time and I believe they still need the does around for another month or so.  They've continually started the bow season here earlier and earlier because we have so many deer.  I think the buck/doe ratio is something like 5:1, way too many does. 

Tom 

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2006, 07:24:39 PM »
Tom, if you click my profile, you'll see I live in Washington, not far from Oregon, just across the Columbia river from Portland, but still in Washington. ;)

The shooting table is an aero aces table I built, easy to make, and not too expensive.

http://www.aeroaces.com/bench1.htm

Not much in the way of deer season here, modern firearms deer starts mid October to the end of October, then late buck is 4 days in November, archery starts in September, then there's late archery, same for muzzleloader. Elks season start aerly November for 2 weeks depending on the location. A hunter has to choose which type of weapon they want to use, can't switch, if I buy a modern firearm deer tag, then we're limited to modern hunts only. Same for elk, pick a weapon. Lots of deer on the far eastside of the state, mostly whitetails that are numerous in some locations, but that's a day's drive, not something for an afternoon or one day hunt. The area I hunted for the last 13 yrs is no longer any good, the timber company that owns most of it has ruined the area by their herbicide spraying, it kills all the browse that deer and elk love, the area used to have lots of deer and elk, now I'd bee lucky to see anything in a week of hunting. >:(

Good luck to ya and thanks,

Tim
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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 03:28:12 AM »
.308Win, there's no place in the county that's legal to shoot, except the range, there's a county ordinance against it! I do take my portable shooting bench with me on scouting trips, that's my ace in the hole for this weekend, that's 100 miles away tho!!

Tim



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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2006, 04:22:16 AM »
"308Win, there's no place in the county that's legal to shoot, except the range, there's a county ordinance against it!"

...Huh?  That's news to me.  I live in east Clark county and I'm in the battleground unit, where hunting is legal.  It' a rifle area too, which defies logic...

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Re: New Handi!
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2006, 05:52:59 AM »
Mike, the Battle Ground unit, GMU 564 which is Clark county plus part of Cowlitz and Skamania counties, is a firearms restriction unit, rifles are not legal, just shotguns, muzzleloaders, archery and handguns. There are exceptions to this as Clark Rifles is in the unit, but as far as going out in the woods and shooting a rifle, that's not likely to happen, there's no public land to do it on.  :(

English Pit is closed "temporarily" they say while advertising for a new range operator, but I'll be surprised if it ever reopens.

We used to shoot a lot above Yacolt which is the Washougal unit, but they have gated it off and only allow hunters to walk in. >:(

Tim

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2006.pdf
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Firearm Restriction Areas
The firearm restriction areas listed have
been established by the Fish and Wildlife
Commission. Centerfire and rimfire rifles
are not legal for hunting in these areas.

In firearm restriction areas, hunters may
hunt only during the season allowed by
their tag.
1)Archery tag holders may hunt during
archery seasons with archery equipment.
2)Muzzleloader tag holders may hunt
during muzzleloader seasons with
muzzleloader equipment except in the
GMU 652 restriction area outlined for
King County.
3)Modern firearm tag holders may hunt
during modern firearm seasons with
bows and arrows, muzzleloaders, or
revolver-type handguns meeting equipment
restrictions, or legal shotguns firing
slugs or buckshot.
Firearm Restriction Areas
(By County):
PLEASE NOTE - Other firearm restriction
areas are established by local ordinance.
Please consult your local sheriff or city for
other firearm restriction areas.
Chelan - That portion of GMU 251
(Mission) beginning at the intersection
of the Duncan Road and Highway 2; S
on Duncan Road to Mountain Home
Road; S along Mountain Home Road
to the Icicle Irrigation Ditch; S and W
along the Icicle Irrigation Ditch to the
Snow Lake Trail; W and N along the
Snow Lake Trail and across the Icicle
River to Icicle River Road; E and N
along Icicle River Road to the
Wenatchee River; NW along the
Wenatchee River to Highway 2; N and
E on Higway 2 to Duncan Road and
the point of beginning.
Clallam - The portion of GMU 624
(Coyle) within Clallam Co.
Clark - That portion GMU 554 (Yale in
Clark Co.)
Clark - GMU 564 (Battle Ground).
Cowlitz - GMU 554 (Yale); GMU 504
(Stella). That portion of GMU 564
(Battle Ground) in Cowlitz Co
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