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Curs and Fiests
« on: September 03, 2006, 07:04:53 AM »
I've never really understood what is a cur and what is a fiest? Are both used for squirrel hunting? ???

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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 11:17:47 AM »
I've never really understood what is a cur and what is a fiest? Are both used for squirrel hunting? ???

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As i understand the feist is breed of dogs used by the mountain folks to hunt squirrels with and have for years. I think the cur dog can have any mixture of blood lines. Almost any dog can be taught to hunt squirrels if it is started right to begin with. Some dogs are like people ( they don't learn so good ) grin...............Joe.............
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 03:58:00 PM »
What we call fiest dogs in North Central Texas now and back in the 50s when I was growing up, is usually a small terrier type of dog. Older people, (older than me and I'm 56) called about any small dog a fiest. Your Rat Terriers and Jack Russells would fit into this catagory. I raise Jacks and have 9 in the kennel that were born 3 days ago. Their dad is a squirrell hunting machine. Their mother is silly. But the offspring of these two usually make good hunters. My Jack male will tackle about anything from squirrel to feral hogs. A lot of fiests are that away. That's why they were bred up. They don't eat much, are by nature gritty, and when they hunt, if you let them will hunt any and everything. My male isn't mouthy at all. If he barks you need to go see what he's barking at. The female, as I said is silly, but a stranger would do well to stay on the visitor side of the fenced in yard, and if you do manage to get in, don't turn your back on her. She will make you pay.
Curdogs? Their hounds, that's all I know.
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2006, 05:31:25 AM »
Fiest-Terrier "based" smallish dogs.

Curs-Hound/Shepard "based" larger dogs.

I've had both.  I preffer a smaller cur cause I think they are a little easier to train and are a bit more "bidable" for the owner.  The fiest I had hunted great, but I just couldn't talk them into doing anything else! 

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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2006, 10:22:41 AM »
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I have a few friends like your dog. :D
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2006, 08:26:14 AM »
In the Ozarks a cur dog is any X-breed or dog of uncertain ancestry.  The term is usually preceeded by the word worthless.  A fiest is any small dog, usually of terrier ancestry and are also known as yappee little rat dogs.  I know because I have several of each.
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 06:47:08 AM »
i have not had any contact with the fiest dogs, but the mountain curs i have and still do,i know the term cur dog is used alot, but the real cur dogs are not some xbreed dog .the curs were brought it by spanish exsplore desoto to drive hogs and for protection when he discovered the mississippi river. they were also brought over from europe by settlers who found there way to kentucky and tenn.in the late 40;s hugh stephen andwoody huntsman of kentucky and dewey ledbetter of tenn. and carl mcconnley of va. founded the mountain cur breeders association, that is where our kemmer curs date back to. there are several very good bloodlines of cur dogs.sorry for the long posts
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2006, 03:07:53 PM »
yea thats right curdog,there not just some xbreeds  >:(

The history of the Kemmer Cur is basically is the same as the Original Mountain Cur, because that is the breeding stock Robert Kemmer choose to use. He selected the best all-round dogs and bred them together, then line bred them to get the same characteristics. To have strong hunting and treeing instincts. the dog will take the best tracks and will run to catch, and yet cold nosed for winding ability. They will circle and drift on a cold track until they find the hot end. They are easily broke off unwanted game. They are fearless and courageous fighters on dangerous game. They can be taught to do any task when given the chance. The more contact they have with there master the better they respond to training. They make excellent companions, stock dogs, and watch dogs.

Color: wide variety, blonde, yellow, brindle, black, or blue and variations of the colors, white is permitted.
Head: dome and flat, wide between the eyes, heavy muzzle, short to medium ears set high with control, dark, prominent, expressive eyes, strong muscular neck.
Body: broad deep chest, strong and straight back, smooth or rough coat with soft fine undercoat.
Tail: preferred natural bob or bobbed but full length with high carriage is permitted.
Feet: cat paw type, set for speed, strong and muscular, dew claws preferred.
Legs: set for speed, straight and muscled.
Voice: open, semi open, or silent on track, clean bark that can be heard for a long distance.
Weight: proportionate to body structure.

Originally bred in the United States, the Kemmer Stock Mountain Cur is a medium-sized hunting hound.

Kemmer Curs are energetic and brave hunters. They have been known to stand their ground even against bears! They are extremely intelligent dogs and learn quickly. Robert Kemmer, their original breeder, says that they are such quick learners that after the first few hunts, the owner can throw away the leash. They are agile and athletic, and are hard tree dogs.

Full-grown Kemmer Curs will grow to a height of 18 to 23 inches and weigh in between 35 and 70 pounds. Their coats are short and relatively thick. Coat color is usually yellow, black and tan, brindle, or mouse blue, all either with or without white neck ring and points. Their eyes are deeply set and dark in color. They are built with very visible musculature, and their tails are most often docked (if they are not born without tails, as some Kemmer Curs are).

Robert Kemmer grew up in Grassy Cove, south of Crossville, Tennessee. His father was a Mountain Cur breeder, and Kemmer bred dogs most of his adult life. He established the Kemmer Stock Mountain Cur Breeders Association to breed and work for the betterment and preservation of the Kemmer Cur. All registered Mountain Curs of the Mountain Cur Breeders Association can be registered, as well.
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2006, 06:36:34 AM »
Are there curs that are 30 pounds?  I'm thinking of about the size of a big beagle.

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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2006, 07:29:48 AM »
depending on the bloodline the curs can run from 30 to 45 pounds
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Re: Curs and Fiests
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2006, 02:44:21 AM »
depending on the bloodline the curs can run from 30 to 45 pounds

I chose a mountain cure from smaller parents and I think Scooter will be in the 30 pound range.  She weighed 6.5 pounds at 11 weeks.  Now, if I could just convince her to pee & poop on the paper.  >:(  She will do it on her own and then go off and do it on the carpet about 15 minutes later.  It's been too nasty outside or I would keep taking her out.  She was whelped inside and she really shivers in the cold, but she's getting better.

Mountain curs sure are special dogs.