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Wolves & antihunters. Bad & bad.
« on: September 07, 2006, 08:28:45 AM »
If you would like to know how the animal "rights" idiots think, please take the 5 minutes it takes to read this. For years I have agreed with what the authors writes, but could never put it into words as well as this, plus there are alot of facts spoken of too. Enjoy...     


WOLVES AND HUNTING
By T. R. Mader, Research Director
Abundant Wildlife Society of North America



I'm convinced, based on several years of wolf research, hunters will bear the brunt of wolf recovery/protection regardless of location.

There is no language written in any wolf recovery plan to protect the hunter's privilege to hunt. Wolves are well known to cause wild game population declines which are so drastic hunting is either eliminated or severely curtailed. And there is no provision for recovery of wild game populations for the purposes of hunting. It simply will not be allowed.

Example: A few years ago, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife (USFWS) and the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) agreed the state should take over the responsibility of wolf management. The DNR felt wolves were impacting their deer populations and wanted to open a short trapping season on the wolf.

The environmentalists sued and won. The USFWS could not give wolf management back to Minnesota in spite of a desire to do so.

The problem with wolf recovery is that most people, especially hunters, have not looked "beyond press releases and into the heart of the wolf issue."

It must be stated clearly that the wolf is the best tool for shutting down hunting. The anti-hunters know this. Most hunters don't. Thus, wolf recovery is not opposed by the people who will be impacted most.

In order to understand the impacts wolves have on hunting, let's look at some biological factors of the wolf and compare some hunting facts.

The wolf is an efficient predator of wild game and domestic livestock. Due to its ability as a predator, the wolf was removed from areas of the U.S. where man settled. There is no such thing as peaceful coexistence between man and wolf - one has to give to the other since both prey/hunt the same wildlife/ungulate populations.

Did the removal of the wolf cause it to become endangered? No, there are 40,000 to 60,000 wolves on the North American continent. The animal is doing quite well. During the years of wolf control, the wolf's territory was eliminated throughout most of the lower 48 states. That factor is the reason the wolf is on the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

A wolf requires five to ten pounds of meat per day for survival, thus the wolf requires a considerable amount of meat in one year - nearly a ton of meat per year per wolf. A wolf is capable of consuming great quantities of meat, up to one fifth of its body weight, at one time. Thus, a wolf does not have to kill each day to survive.

Wolves hunt year around - 365 days a year. Wolf predation is not limited to two weeks, one month or whatever a hunting season length may be, it is year around.

Wolves are opportunistic hunters, meaning they kill what is available and convenient. For years, hunters have been fed the line, "Wolves kill only the weak, sick and old." Worse yet, hunters have believed it.

It is true, wolves do kill old animals, but so do hunters. Those are the big bulls or bucks prized by many who hunt. In fact, biological studies have shown wolves kill older male animals more than any other adult member of a wild game population.

Regarding sick animals, there are not many sick wild animals today. Hunters and trappers are directly responsible for healthy wild game herds today.

In the cyclic "balance of nature" of years past (no hunting by man), ungulate populations would thrive until they overgrazed their habitat and starved. This malnutrition made ungulate populations susceptible to disease. Consequently, disease was more common. Lewis and Clark wrote of such herds. (The other major factor contributing to the decline in wildlife populations was predation.)

Hunting controls this cycle so that herds are kept at proper levels for habitat, preventing malnutrition and susceptibility to disease. Hunting dollars went to habitat improvement and biological studies which, in turn, help maintain healthier herds of ungulates.

Even agriculture plays a part in the dispersal of salt and other minerals to domestic livestock. Wild animals access these nutrients as well. Thus, disease is not as rampant as when nature regulates it naturally. It is also interesting to note that where disease is a problem today, such as Yellowstone National Park, hunting is not allowed.


Trapping completes the cycle of game management by controlling the predator. The predator is to wildlife what weeds are to a garden. They must be controlled or they will take over. Additionally, predators are disease carriers. Some people are aware predators carry rabies since reports of rabid animals or some person being bitten by a rabid animal are often in the news, but few realize predators also carry other deadly diseases, i.e. raccoons carry a deadly fowl cholera. And finally, trapping benefits the predator by keeping their numbers in check. This keeps the population healthy. If predators do overpopulate, they become more susceptible to rabies, mange and other diseases.

Wolves do not eat sick animals unless forced to do so. We have found this true in many cases.

Example: A Conservation Officer for the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) found a moose with brain worm. Brain worm completely destroys an animal's instinctive and natural behavior. This moose had wandered out on a frozen lake in winter and was slowly starving to death. Wolves came by, checked the moose out and went their way. Tracks in the snow verified it. They did not kill it even though it would have been extremely easy to do so.

Wolves do kill the weak. Weak animals are not sick animals, they are simply the "less strong" of the herd. Wolves target these animals - the young and pregnant - due to their inability to escape. This is an important factor in limiting wildlife population numbers. Wolves prey directly on the recruitment and reproductive segments of ungulate populations.

While doing research in British Colombia, a wolf biologist from the British Colombia Ministry of Environment took the time to show me how wolves could impact hunting so severely. Here's his example.


In this particular example he used a number of 300 females in a herd of elk. In his region, wolf predation is often 90% on the young (100% mortality rates due to predation are common in the north). If 300 females gave birth in an area of wolves, the approximate loss would be about 270 young calves killed during the summer months, leaving 30 yearlings to serve as replacements. A regular die-off rate on such a herd is about 10%. So the 30 yearlings would balance out the regular mortality rate of the female segment of the herd.

But overall there is a decline in the elk herd due to the fact that the 30 yearlings are usually sexually split in half (15 females and 15 males), thus the reproductive segment of the herd declines although the numbers appear to balance out. Without some form of wolf control, the rate of decline will increase within a few years.


There were approximately 100 males in this herd of elk. Figuring the regular mortality rate and compensating with the surviving young leaves 5 animals (males only) that could be harvested by man.


Now if this herd of elk were in an area of no wolves, there would be approximately 60 - 70% successful reproduction (calves making it to yearlings) or 200 young. Half of those surviving young would be male (100 animals). After figuring a 10% mortality rate, 90 older animals could be harvested without impact to the overall herd numbers. In fact, the herd would increase due to additional numbers of the reproductive segment (females) of the herd.

Now you have some insight of the impacts wolves can have on hunting.

In spite of the negative publicity generated by the anti-hunting, anti-trapping movements, hunting and trapping are some of the best wildlife management tools.

Hunters' harvest can be limited through numbers of licenses issued, bag limits, length of seasons, and specification of sex of the animal harvested. Thus, only the surplus of an ungulate population is generally hunted. If the need arises that an ungulate population needs reduction, it is easily accomplished by allowing an "any sex" hunt and increasing license numbers. Additionally, hunters will pay for the opportunity to hunt which in turn pays for wildlife management.

Wolves do none of the above. They simply kill to survive and for the sake of killing. Studies have shown that ungulate populations cannot withstand hunting by man and uncontrolled predation by wolves for any length of time. One has to give to the other. In this day and age, the wolf will be the winner, the hunter the loser.

A point which should be stressed is "wolves kill for the sake of killing," not just to survive. Many are convinced wolves kill only what they need to eat. That simply isn't true.

Remember the moose with brain worm the wolves didn't eat? In the same area, the same winter and only a couple of months later, the same Conservation Officer followed two wolves after a spring snow storm and found the wolves had killed 21 deer. Only two were partially eaten.

The snow gave the wolves the advantage. These deer were autopsied and many were found to be pregnant. The total number of deer killed in 2 days by these 2 wolves was 36.

Such incidents of surplus killing are common. For example, Canadian biologists came upon an area where a pack of wolves have killed 34 caribou calves in one area. Another example came from Alaska. In the Wrangell Mountains, a pack of five wolves came upon 20 Dall rams crossing a snow-covered plateau. All 20 rams were killed by the wolves. Only six were partially eaten by the wolves.

Dr. Charles E. Kay, PH.D. has lectured on the impacts of wolf recovery. To illustrate the impacts of wolves on hunting, he did a comparison of moose populations in British Colombia versus Sweden and Finland. Both areas have a comparable amount of moose habitat.

Dr. Kay stated, "During the 1980s in Sweden and Finland, the pre-calf or the wintering population of moose was approximately 400,000 animals and was increasing. While in British Colombia, it was 240,000 animals and decreasing.

"In British Colombia where they have a population of 240,000 animals and after a calving season they killed only 12,000 animals which is a 5% off take. In Sweden and Finland, on the other hand, they have 400,000 moose and guess how many they killed in the fall? They killed 240,000 moose in the fall which is a 57% off take rate.

"Now the two main differences, I don't want to imply that there's not vegetation difference and other things, but the two main differences is that British Colombia has somewhere between 5,000 and 6,000 wolves, all sorts of bears, grizzly bears and black bears which are also important predators, and mountain lions. Sweden and Finland have none of the above."

Veteran wolf biologist, John Gunson, Alberta Ministry of Environment, summed it up when he said, "Really, there isn't any room for harvest by man if you have a healthy wolf population."

Hunters, please understand the impacts of wolf recovery on hunting and the role wolf recovery plays in the anti-hunters' agenda. Natural predation, especially wolf predation, can replace your privilege to hunt.


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Copyright 1991 - Permission granted copy this article in its entirety with proper credit given to the source.

T. R. Mader is Research Director for Abundant Wildlife Society of North America (AWS), a private wildlife research organization dedicated to the preservation of the Great North American Traditions of Hunting, Fishing and Trapping.
   

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 07:44:52 PM »
I think open season should be on wolves and I would not mind it on the tree huggers either. Well I know the tree hugger thing will never  happen (was just joking about that  ;D) nor will the wolf situation but it does make a guy disgusted. Wolves in our neck of the woods (Douglas Co) kill bear dogs as fast as they can find them. Now for some of you guys who may not agree with bear dogs remember a wolf will kill your upland game dog or retriever just as fast and easy. The old timers had the right idea on trapping and killing wolves. Too bad we have to live in a warm and fuzzy world with the darn tree huggers trying to control everything.  >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 08:02:42 AM »
I FIRMLY believe that Peta and HSUS actually love seeing the wolves eat up calves of moose, elk, & deer fawns. That spells less opportunities for the big game hunter, which is what they want.

As soon as there is a solution to the wolf problem, out come the lawsuits and court actions by the antis. Nope, wouldnt want to see the calves of moose, elk, & deer fawns thrive. Nope, that'd be bad.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 04:11:53 AM »
There was a reason that they were exterminated. And it wasn't just the pleasure of killing.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2006, 07:30:34 PM »
There was a reason that they were exterminated. And it wasn't just the pleasure of killing.

Yea Buckskin ya nailed it! 
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2006, 05:23:41 AM »
Sorry fella's but hunters ain't the only people paying taxes.  And in this state we're getting fewer and fewer hunters, but the population of people hasn't decreased.  That means fewer and fewer people really give a crud about your greedy plea to be able to kill more deer.

To a person who spends their days in Milwaukee, Wausau, or Green Bay, and only occasionally heads to the woods to backpack or ski - they don't care if they can't shoot as many deer.  Why?  Because they wouldn't shoot deer if they could - it's just not a hobby of their choosing.  They'd rather hike, ski, or mt. bike.  They enjoy seeing deer.  But even better they enjoy seeing or hearing a wolf.

So, the DNR has to manage the wildlife for those taxpaying citizens as well.

If you really want to "preserve" our hunting heritage you'd better do something about recruiting hunters.  There was a push to lower the min. hunting age.  That failed.  As a community we've made it really difficult to hunt on private land.  I remember when the law was that if it wasn't posted, fenced, or tilled it was open to hunting.  Taking your son hunting was easy back then.  There was plenty of room to search for small game.  And if it was fenced or tilled farmers were usually more than willing to allow you to hunt - without payment.  Today the amount of land open to someone who doesn't own their own land has drastically decreased.  Young boys just aren't getting the small-game opportunities that we had, which is likely what got us hooked on hunting to begin with. 

Instead those young lads are taking up backpacking, kayaking, mt. biking - non-consumptive sports.  I don't blame them.  The public land may stink for hunting, but it's always good scenery and trails.  And to hear a wolf howl - that just makes it all the better.

Me, I'm stuck in the middle.  I enjoy hunting.  And I actually like it when I'm on the stand and can hear wolves howl.  Wolves won't end hunting.  Citizens who are non-sympathetic to hunting will end hunting.  And if the citizens don't hunt we hunters will be a minority. 

Besides, if wolves are so effective at controlling deer, I guess the people of Wisconsin won't really need hunting to control the herd. 

While I disagree with the total elimination of wolves, I also disagree with the total ban on trapping/hunting for wolves. I'd be willing to bet that if they sold a few wolf tags to some of the guys who run dogs - they'd win a lot of wolf lovers.  Deer?  Wolves?  I say manage both so we can hunt both.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2006, 07:22:52 AM »
Well, I agree to some of what you're saying. No, 400 wolves (aledgedly) in this state wont put much of a dent in the states 1.5 - 1.7 million whitetails (aledgedly)...but...the point of the acticle above speaks primarly of the way anti hunters go about things which in most reasonable peoples opinion, goes against sound biological practices.

Perhaps the Wisconsin forum is not the best example, as the Peta and Humane Society of the US are "working" in states where wolf control is more logical such as Minn, Alaska, and the Yellowstone NP area. You would think that the anti hunt crowd would almost be somewhat on the same page as hunters are regarding wolf control = by that I mean deer, elk and moose are not carnivorous and are harmless to other animals, so one would think the bleeding heart antis would be offering some effort in protecting the deer family from animals that eat their young like popcorn. But they are not, as they know that the best way to end or at least severly limit hunting opportunities is for most of our quarry to disappear.

On the surface, the animal "rights" crowd is percieved by the general public as a savior of some sort, to ALL inimals. IMO they are much more about ending hunting than anything else. For example: The anti hunters up in Ontario Canada slipped through passage signed under the table so to speak, that ended the spring bear hunt. Their excuse? Because bear hunters were shooting all the cubs. Shooting cubs was illeagal all along, but to convince the igrorant public and politicians, they offered that as fact. Onto my point here in this - Its well known that boars will kill cubs in an effort to get the sow to come back into heat. But due to the fact that there is no longer a spring bear (boar) hunt, there are fewer cubs now. No, this doesnt have much to do with the wolf issue, but you can see the parallel in the anti's adgenda vs sound biology.

Oh, and I am with you regarding lower the minimum age for hunters (letting the parents decide) but guess who was also against that idea? The antis.

Peta and HSUS are about nothing more than taking away rights and freedoms from others- ie: hunters in this case. Ensuring the wolves prosper at any and all expense is the best way the can occomplish their whacked adgenda.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2006, 09:09:35 AM »
I have to agree with everything Black Jaque said.  The biggest problem for everyone in the future will be to find landowners that will allow you to hunt.  The land that is available is being taken over by clubs and leases and is getting more and more expensive.  Soon it will be hard enough for a hunter to afford to hunt himself, nevermind taking his kids!  I can't blame the young people who take up the other outdoor recreations like hiking, biking, etc over hunting either!  Much less hassle involved and plenty of FREE land to take part in it.  There of course is some public land available for hunters, but if that becomes the only place I can hunt in my home state, I think I will be giving it up for safety reasons.  I myself don't think the anti-hunters will be the ones  putting an end to hunting.  We ourselves will just make it so expensive that it ain't going to be worth it for most and they will be hanging up their guns and bows for good!   Once there are only a few hunters left, hunting will have NO voice at all.   

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2006, 01:58:57 PM »


                                                Wolf Skull

Found this 10/9/06 by an old tree stand I'm reactivating just in case you haven't seen it posted in a couple other forums.
Note the extended ridge back of skull almost an inch long. Apparently allows them to put extra power into their bite.

The other side of skull was in bad shape, was in contact with the ground. I'm going to go back and see if I can find one of the canines that was missing from the right side.

I'd pay the State of MN $500.00 for a one time permit for a wolf hunt/kill but it will never happen. A few years ago the State of MN put together a meeting of interested parties (pro and anti wolf) to come up with an agreed upon proposal of regulating wolf. Due to some members of the group flat out refusal to ever accept a wolf hunt season the State abandoned any plans to deal with the issue.

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 11:25:23 PM »
Bearfat, that skull is a cool find! You'd pay $500 for a wolf tag? I say the state should be charging 10 times less that, if said hunt were to ever materialize. Heck, a NON RES wolf tag in Alaska is only $30 if I remember correctly (and I'll have one with me on next years moose hunt)

BJJ & 863, yep I agree with the private land shrinkage and the fewer opportunities for young hunters, but I attribute that primarly to the fact that humans are building homes in urban areas like mad, coupled with the trophy management that has caught on in recent years. Loss of habitat is not helping. As they say, up north in Wisconsin gets further up north every year.

Back to the antis and wolves issue - to see what the animal "rights" crowd has to say, google hsus wyoming wolves and read the first 2 hits. (I am not hyperlinking an anti hunting website from GBO)

The reason I posted the above article was to make sportsman aware of the tactics that are used by the antis. There seems to be zero comprimise with those folks, just as Bearfat said. It seems to me that they actually enjoy knowing that the animals farmers raise (livestock) as well as the animals the sportsman pursue (big game) are being taken out by wolves.

Now why are the animal rights folks so hell bent on saving the wolves, yet they could care less about saving all the other critters that are eaten by them? I know the answer..


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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2006, 07:42:14 AM »
OK the real enemy is the anti-hunters.  Don't make the wolves the scapegoat.

Here's a suggestion.  Lobby the Wisconsin Bear Hunter's association to request that a portion of all bear licenses goes towards wolf management on the condition that a wolf season gets established by the year 20XX.  I mean, heck, if it was just one tag sold for $500 that's all you'd need.  Then the next year wolves would still be around and the antis can't claim that opening a hunting season would exterpate wolves. 

Wolf program gets some money (they'll like that), become dependent on that money, then when faced with losing said money they'll compromise on wishes of Bear Hunters Association. 

The Anti-hunters aren't really anti-hunting they're anti-human.  If you look at the philosophy of the extremists who are leading the charge they seem to be pro-choice, they're convinced there's too many humans, and animals are equal to humans.  Which is the same as saying humans are equal to animals.  Which means their philosophy ultimately will justify killing humans for the sake of animals (because an animal's life is just as valuable as a human's).
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 06:36:14 PM »
I would bet the bear hunters would want all the wolves killed. You put a ton of money in some good bear dogs and the wolves kill them I would be POed too. There was a reason they trapped and poisoned the wolves way back when. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2006, 11:07:54 AM »
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You put a ton of money in some good bear dogs and the wolves kill them I would be POed too. There was a reason they trapped and poisoned the wolves way back when.

And there was a reason bears were shot on sight too.  People thought they were nothing but a dangerous nuisance.  Darn near exterpated from Wisconsin.

I say, if you're not willing to accept a level of risk inherent with bears, wolves, and cougars then you best spend the weekend at the mall.  But if you're man enough to take the knocks that come with the harsh outdoors you're welcome to venture out. 

If you want adventure head for the woods.  If you want security stay home. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2006, 06:43:19 PM »
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You put a ton of money in some good bear dogs and the wolves kill them I would be POed too. There was a reason they trapped and poisoned the wolves way back when.

And there was a reason bears were shot on sight too.  People thought they were nothing but a dangerous nuisance.  Darn near exterpated from Wisconsin.

I say, if you're not willing to accept a level of risk inherent with bears, wolves, and cougars then you best spend the weekend at the mall.  But if you're man enough to take the knocks that come with the harsh outdoors you're welcome to venture out. 

If you want adventure head for the woods.  If you want security stay home. 

You have said some strange things here but that about takes the cake. A man that has bear dogs and they get chewed by a bear is a risk they know they have to take. That same dog getting killed by a pack of wolves is a risk that should not happen in the first place and that would tick me off. What does that have to do with being a man??????? The chances of a hunter killed by a bear or a wolf in WI is pretty darn rare and cougars are very rare nothing to worry about there. There have been a few folks attacked by bears in the last few years but that is pretty rare too. For most all hunters in WI the outdoors is pretty tame not harsh at all. Wi is not like the mountains out west where you could get into trouble. Most of the land here is bisected by roads while it would be possible to get lost most folks usually can find a road and work their way back to where they should be. If folks would carry and TRUST a compass they should not get lost anyway. Even the larger chunks of woods are not that large where most folks hunt. I would say that most that hunt WI have nothing to fear from nature or the woods. A careless hunter is more of a risk to others than anything else.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2006, 03:43:23 AM »
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That same dog getting killed by a pack of wolves is a risk that should not happen in the first place and that would tick me off.

Who says it "shouldn't happen?"  The woods have wolves.  Wolves are supposed to be in the woods.  One thing wolves do is kill dogs and coyotes.  If you can't afford to lose a prize bear dog then you best keep him close by.  If you unleash him, you're accepting a risk.  Just the same as you accept a risk that your dog might get Lymes disease, or blastomycosis.

We no more should exterpate wolves for the sake of a few bear dogs than we should eliminate deer because one destroyed somebody's precious Corvette.
 
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2006, 06:54:51 PM »
Your opinion and you have your right to it. I will say there are a lot of us here that were a hell of a lot happier before the MN wolves migrated back to WI. I do not even have a bear dog, but I sure can see their view.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2006, 08:39:12 PM »
About 5 years ago Silver Bay MN had a wolf problem with a female wolf that was coming into town and killing/eating dogs that were outside on the leash/chain. After about 12 domestic pets got eaten a federal trapper finally got her. The kids were  seeing her as they waited for the school bus in the morning as she made her rounds. It never made the paper down in the Twin Cities. Not an image they wanted known.

When I take my wifes dogs up to my cabin I have a handgun or shotgun in my holster or hands and keep the dogs in sight at all times. They're not hunting dogs, they wear sweaters. They don't have a chance even against a coyote which even in town  where I live (Hastings, MN right next to Prescott WS) I have seen coyote wandering through looking for a quick easy snack.

The old guy half a mile from my cabin had a groundhog on top of one of his bird feeders one hot summer day for several hours.
Finally dawned on him something not right. He got out the binoc's and sure enough there was a black wolf face staring at the groundhog from the edge of the meadow 30 yards away.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2006, 06:57:08 AM »
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Your opinion and you have your right to it. I will say there are a lot of us here that were a hell of a lot happier before the MN wolves migrated back to WI. I do not even have a bear dog, but I sure can see their view.

Well said.  Just know that there are others who think differently.  Perhaps the best thing would be to find some middle ground.  I have a hunch that judiciously selling wolf tags would be the way to go.  It certainly appears that the wolf population is sufficient to tolerate a dozen or so tags/year (at least).

I will agree that it is a bad thing that the anti-hunters stopped wolf-hunting altogether in the Lower 48.
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