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Offline jroebke

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25-06 ack imp
« on: September 07, 2006, 09:32:00 AM »
I have an encore barrel in 25-06 that i would like to get imp, but I thought that I once heard that with an encore you would have to get the 25-280 ack imp, instead of the 25-06 ack imp.They said that it was a longer cartr.ige Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on this.

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2006, 05:04:09 PM »
To do a proper improved chamber you need to set it back a little, which you cannot do with the Encore.  An improved chamber is slightly shorter than the non improved version, to make the brass, a standard cartridge is put in the chamber, it gets a slight crush on it at the neck sholder point to hold it against the breach or bolt head.  When it is fired it blows out the sholder making an improved case.  Larry
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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 05:38:17 AM »
Thanks for the info that is what i thought but wasnt sure.

Thanks

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 09:58:14 AM »
i took a 25-06 barrel in an encore and improved it they say that you need to set the chamber back but i reamed it anyways and just use 280 rem brass to get my desired overall case lengthof 2.525 no problems whatsoever and shoots 110gr accubond at 3450 fps and shoots .4 inch groups at 100yrds

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 01:53:37 AM »
i took a 25-06 barrel in an encore and improved it they say that you need to set the chamber back but i reamed it anyways and just use 280 rem brass to get my desired overall case lengthof 2.525 no problems whatsoever and shoots 110gr accubond at 3450 fps and shoots .4 inch groups at 100yrds

  Don't take this wrong.  Length on the 25-06AI is 2.494" same as the 25-06 case what you did was the 25-280AI if your case length is 2.525".

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 04:45:27 AM »
I won't presume to tell you that you are not reaching that velocity as I've not looked at your chrono readings while you are shooting. I will state emphatically however that IF you are you are NOT doing it at either safe or sane pressure levels. The magic of most wildcat rounds is that safe pressure tested data is not available so folks push the envelope with them to grossly unsafe pressure levels to get that magic velocity level they think should be reachable.

Even in a .257 Weatherby with 26" barrel which has considerably more case capacity and operates at higher pressures than the .25-06 you'd be hard pressed to reach that velocity with that bullet. Oh sure it can be done but not at SAAMI pressures even in the Weatherby round. To do it with the '06 case pressure levels likely are running over 80,000 level which is right about what proof loads are. Do you REALLY want to be firing a blue pill proof load EVERY TIME you pull the trigger? Personally I do not.

i took a 25-06 barrel in an encore and improved it they say that you need to set the chamber back but i reamed it anyways and just use 280 rem brass to get my desired overall case lengthof 2.525 no problems whatsoever and shoots 110gr accubond at 3450 fps and shoots .4 inch groups at 100yrds


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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 05:13:49 AM »
this gun shows no pressure with this load and besides you can't load hot loads in this frame otherwise you'll have a problem. with the powders that we have these days versus the old loading information of the past we can achieve way more. this is also coming out of a 28" barrel remember and have kept track of brass life and are getting 6 loads and sometimes more. primer pockets are always tight and if the brass ever fails it is on the neck. 

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 06:54:24 AM »
this gun shows no pressure with this load and besides you can't load hot loads in this frame otherwise you'll have a problem. with the powders that we have these days versus the old loading information of the past we can achieve way more. this is also coming out of a 28" barrel remember and have kept track of brass life and are getting 6 loads and sometimes more. primer pockets are always tight and if the brass ever fails it is on the neck.  


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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 03:08:48 PM »
well spanky not to be smart I just wanted to bring to your attention that I went through the last 18 pages of the wildcat discussion forum and ended up finding alsorts of info that isn't supposeto be on here. Like I said before I have never put any load info on this thread

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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 03:24:03 PM »
I'm not trying to single you out. If GB himself see's something as unsafe then it don't get posted. His house, his rules. I don't want to speak for him but I think his main concern is the safety of GBO members. I think we can all appreciate that. ;)
If you have pet loads that are within SAAMI specs. feel free to post them, that's what the forum is about.



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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 06:52:22 PM »
I see only a small percentage of the posts here. That's what Moderators are for. If I see a subject line that interests me or that causes me to think I might should get involved then I'll open it up and read. Otherwise I just view the subject line and move on.

When folks say they are getting as much or more velocity from the old '06 case in a .257 as I can get from my .257 Whby then I have to speak up. Same for any wildcat off the '06 case. If you are getting as much or more velocity as folks can safely get from a belted magnum case then that can ONLY come at the cost of unsafe pressure levels.

To say it shows no pressures signs means the bullets fail to exit the barrel cuz if they do exit that's a dang good sign you have pressure. There are no reliable indicators of what's safe and what's unsafe pressure unless you have pressure measuring equipment. That's one myth I keep trying to put an end to around here. I think by now all the current crop of magazine writers have posted at least one article saying the same tho admittedly some seem to forget they said it in the very next they write.


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Re: 25-06 ack imp
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 08:19:34 AM »
I see only a small percentage of the posts here. That's what Moderators are for. If I see a subject line that interests me or that causes me to think I might should get involved then I'll open it up and read. Otherwise I just view the subject line and move on.

When folks say they are getting as much or more velocity from the old '06 case in a .257 as I can get from my .257 Whby then I have to speak up. Same for any wildcat off the '06 case. If you are getting as much or more velocity as folks can safely get from a belted magnum case then that can ONLY come at the cost of unsafe pressure levels.

To say it shows no pressures signs means the bullets fail to exit the barrel cuz if they do exit that's a dang good sign you have pressure. There are no reliable indicators of what's safe and what's unsafe pressure unless you have pressure measuring equipment. That's one myth I keep trying to put an end to around here. I think by now all the current crop of magazine writers have posted at least one article saying the same tho admittedly some seem to forget they said it in the very next they write.
   


Please don't get me wrong.  I looked acouple years ago at maybe building  something like the 270 gibbs,270Wby,25 Gibbs or 257 Wby.  Having alittle experience having a 300Wby build I did the following with that rifle.  I had the case headspace on the shoulders and did away with the Wby freebore (Barrel was so marked) in doing that you reduce powder by appr 10% for the same velocity.

Of the 4 caliber I was researched I settled on the 257Wby case was headspace on the shoulders and no Wby freebore (barrel was marked) and I used a 1/9 twist barrel.  With the reduction in case capacity I was close to the 25 Gibbs and the loading data published in Wildcat Cartridges vol II and the only reason I didn't do the Gibbs just decided didn't want to fireform cases.

Bill, I don't disgree with you on posting loads sometime how a wildcatter approachs building a certain caliber may not fit building the standard caliber.  Most that I know who build a wildcat will spend far more time researching that someone who just buys a standard caliber and load devlopement is pretty detail.

If you remember one of your "Moderators" was trying to get my load for a custom 30-06 and I wouldn't give it to him.  He just didn't understand more to velocity than just the load.

I've shorten cases less case capacity and I've gotten the same velocity using less powder so things can work the other way also.  On the 270 Gibbs I post those loads when I looked at doing the 270 Gibbs one thing that was ? the barrel twist.

Again I won't post any loads.  Have a good day