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Offline Dave Allen

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pop open-reloading
« on: September 12, 2006, 06:43:35 PM »
hello guys..of course the pop open factor is covered in the faq-sticky...i have a differnt twist...my f.l. resized brass in my 22-250 has popped open 9 times of 31 rounds...in the meantime between handloads i have fired 22 factory loads without a pop open ???? my 1st thought is i"m not pushing the shoulder back enough..while f/l sizing BUT...i also thought guys here only neck size too....any idea what may cause this ??? I also notice the lock up of the action is better with factory ammo....thank's much...

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 06:56:22 PM »
When you size the brass the sizing die must hit the shell holder on the way down, it doesn't count if it just touches without a piece of brass in it, the press will flex more than you can believe.  Larry
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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 07:02:01 PM »
This is simple. Your handloads are too long in the shoulder or the primers stick out or both, and prevents the action from fully closing. You need at lest 1-2 thou head space.
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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 07:18:47 PM »
hello...i can't see the primer's sticking out below the rim of the brass..i am a pretty new reloader...about 450 round's of my relaods through the remmy 700 in 223...ZERO problem's using rcbs dies...about 70 round's of my reloads through the handi-25/06 with a few hicups...using redding dies... nothing to do with the die's ...i am using LEE dies on the 250 & seeing problem's..i went to buy redding & they were out...anyway i don't like how  these handle..not blaming the die's of course...BUT???? i felt i needed to mention that ??

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2006, 12:54:22 AM »
Check you primers on a piece of glass. If it rocks at all the primer is too high. After a while you will develop a rhythm with your reloading and get a "FEEL" for your primer height.

BEWARE, if you just set the depth too deep you can crush the anvil and all you will be making is duds!!

 One other thing that can cause these problems is  CARTRIDGE OAL length as well as just CASE length. Check BOTH, its more likely its case then OAL as generally the handy will not even close if the cartridge OAL is too long. But brass is very elastic and will compress and rebound causing the problem you are having.

As far as sizing, you need to re-read your reloading manuals. Just brush up on die setup's. You shouldn't be moving the shoulder at all, assuming these are YOUR fired brass. I keep range brass, (Other peoples stuff) separate from brass fired in my guns for just this purpose. Also most of my guns are neck sized only, this necessitates the separation.

 I like to clean, re-size, clean again then trim, chamfer, and prime, then charge with powder and bullet. I load my rifle stuff single stage for the most part. I used progressive for the semi autos when I had them, now I only load pistol/shotgun stuff progressive.

Redding dies are top shelf, Lee's are cheaper. But I would say its unlikely the dies are your problem. Both are up to the quality of any hobby re loader, no question. Possibly their set up......  You mention "some hick-ups" with the 25-06 in the handi...why? What are the problems?

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 03:55:12 AM »
 i only considered that the lee die being somewhat cheezy in feel & price could possibly lead to something ?? i thought i would throw that into the spectrum of thing's......cwlongshot...my 25/06 had a visable gap at the standing breech on lockup i could see daylight...h &r fixed though...thank's for your comments.

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2006, 04:39:24 AM »
Beyond the obvious things like brass a little big and needing to be full sized, neck needing to be trimed or bullet seated to long, take the barrel off and clean all the parts that go inside the frame. It could be that simple. This weekend at the range the same thing was happening to a friend of mine and his 243. We're looking at the bullets, checking everything and could find no reason for this to happen. Finally took the barrel off and cleaned it real well ... no more problems.

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2006, 04:52:24 AM »
Since you got all the answers no need to ask questions.

I agree...That is quite rude..

Dave..Your not alone in prefering another brand of dies....That's called personal preference...

Check your PM's

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2006, 05:02:18 AM »
Hello Dave
If you have checked all the above and are still baffeled one more posibility is if you have the cripping function of the die, set a little off, you can also be belling out the sholder of the case as you crimp. This can cause missfires and stuck brass. {sticking on the way in may cause pop opens in a folding breech} measure some after resize then again after finished reloading this my find were your problem lies. Then you can adjust your dies as per manufactures instructions . Good luck  D.C. Don

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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2006, 05:59:32 AM »
Another rude remark removed by Graybeard. We seem to be having too much of this on this forum lately. Perhaps folks need to read the rules again. Applies to more than just this post. GB
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Re: pop open-reloading
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2006, 06:10:01 AM »
Mac.
The truth is not always what you like to hear.
You seem  to cherish to snipe at me any chance you get. You are  welcome to it.

No I have no problem hearing the truth...I certainly don't cherish telling people to not to be rude...Therfore I suggest you stop.We are here to help..and discusss things in a cival manner. If someone doesn't fully understand what has been said or is having difficulty in convieing in writting what they are trying to say...that is no reason to become rude to them...period.

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