Author Topic: Bergara Barrels for the Encore ? (Read 27238 times)

Keith L · « **Reply #30 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:47:57 AM »

Think this strayed from topic a little bit?

Heavy C · « **Reply #31 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:06:00 AM »

So....how about them Bergara barrels? Anyone have any new infor on them?

bubba · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2006, 02:55:13 PM »

I just purchased a cva optima elite with a 50 cal barrel and a 270 barrel. I got it out the other day to shoot them both. The load that worked very well in the muzzleloader was get this 120 grains of loose triple 7 ffg and a 250 grain 45 caliber shockwave with a harvertor crush rib sabot. The 270 was holding up and quite accurate with 130 grain hornady Bt bsllistic tip and 55.6 grains of Imr 4831. Both shot very well accuracy wise and I am very pleased.

nomosendero · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2006, 07:51:39 PM »

meister-jaeger · « **Reply #34 on:** December 06, 2006, 04:24:59 AM »

Well, apparantly these barrels are on the streets now. Does anyone have a report on them yet? Occassionally there are gems out there just waiting to be found (i.e. CZ rifles - a lot of accuracy for the cost.) I am hoping this is one of them. I could use a couple more barrels and would love to get Bullberry quality at half the cost...

meister-jaeger · « **Reply #35 on:** December 06, 2006, 04:28:15 AM »

Well, apparantly these barrels are on the streets now. Does anyone have a report on them yet? Occassionally there are gems out there just waiting to be found (i.e. CZ rifles - a lot of accuracy for the cost.) I am hoping this is one of them. I could use a couple more barrels and would love to get Bullberry quality at half the cost...

manofthe45 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 07, 2006, 06:10:58 AM »

Quote from: meister-jaeger on December 06, 2006, 04:28:15 AM

would love to get Bullberry quality at half the cost...

Not likley. you get what you pay for. course I have had a few tell me NEF are accurate, just never seen one.

Leslil223 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 07, 2006, 02:02:47 PM »

wel i now all about cars now. let us know how the barrel does new and later 100 shots

trophyhunter · « **Reply #38 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:00:20 PM »

ok i just posted this question but then found this post Im still was wondering about the barrell also i thought the barrells were made with shilen blanks

quickdtoo · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:02:14 PM »

Barrels are made under Ed Shilen's consultation, not by Shilen. If you watch the video at the link below, you'll see an Encore barrel being built.

Tim

http://www.bergarabarrels.com/ed.html

http://www.bergarabarrels.com/

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #40 on:** May 07, 2007, 07:44:30 PM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on October 03, 2006, 03:24:15 AM

However, I don't know where your statitics are commin from. Yes it is true that the big 3 have moved some of their part production facilities to other countries. I'm not going to try to defend their management, but economics are economics. If it were your business and you can make a wheel in Detroit for $4 or in Mexico for $1.25, where are you going to make it? GM has a stamping plant that is 45 minutes from my house. It's been there for 30 years. Hasn't moved yet. But the economics are still viable. When that plant no longer makes sense to GM....they will close it. But the Union workers there know this. So far, it's still open.
Dave

$4 a wheel X 4 X 300,000 cars adds up really quick.

Its like what my pappy told me about fat chicks, Dont knock it till you've tried it.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #41 on:** May 07, 2007, 07:48:33 PM »

And BTW, that extra $50 sometimes is what turns the average man away. You cant complain about another company offering quality barrels for an affordable price.

Keith L · « **Reply #42 on:** May 08, 2007, 03:09:02 AM »

Its a little early to declare them quality. There aren't enough of them out there in use for me to decide they are OK. I remember far to many pretty Spanish guns that didn't live up to their potential to run out and get one.

nomosendero · « **Reply #43 on:** May 08, 2007, 08:15:32 AM »

Quote from: bubba on October 30, 2006, 02:55:13 PM

I just purchased a cva optima elite with a 50 cal barrel and a 270 barrel. I got it out the other day to shoot them both. The load that worked very well in the muzzleloader was get this 120 grains of loose triple 7 ffg and a 250 grain 45 caliber shockwave with a harvertor crush rib sabot. The 270 was holding up and quite accurate with 130 grain hornady Bt bsllistic tip and 55.6 grains of Imr 4831. Both shot very well accuracy wise and I am very pleased.

I have heard that several of these are doing well. I have ordered a OE in .50MZ, 270 & 308 extra barrel. The CVA forum has several tests already. The barrels are the same quality for the OE or TC Encore. I will be shooting them soon.I have no reason at this point to question their quality. My TC Encore experience has been mixed so far, but I am going to try a pro hunter barrel or 2.

no guns here · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2007, 11:27:07 PM »

Of course there are a lot of Spanish guns our there that are great quality and are very beautiful, well made, expensive guns. Just because what has been imported to the US in the past has been inferior doesn't mean anything. Honda's used to be made out of beer cans... look at 'em now. If Bergara can make barrels that make Ed Shilen happy then I will probably be happy with them. With Shilen's reputation, why would he praise a barrel that doesn't meet his specs? I'm sure he's not about to destroy his rep/business anytime soon. I fully intend to pick up a Bergara barrel as soon as their chamberings expand to something I want. Likewise, I don't like many things French, but my Rod and Gun club has an absolutely beautiful Chapois (sp?) 5x57 single shot that I would dearly LOVE to have. Everyone has their likes/dislikes. In the end, you have to make your choices but you don't have to talk bad about other folks choices.

Thanks,
ngh

Davemuzz · « **Reply #45 on:** May 11, 2007, 12:48:31 AM »

Quote from: no guns here on May 10, 2007, 11:27:07 PM

Honda's used to be made out of beer cans... look at 'em now. ........but you don't have to talk bad about other folks choices.

Thanks,
ngh

NGH....First, if you think that 'ol Shilen is doing this for his "reputation", your in lal la land. It's called Money. And please notice that I spelled that with a capital "M". There is no....please let me repeat that...NO other reason that he associated his name with this. If you think he did this out of the goodness of his heart, keep dreaming. Second, as far as Honda's are concerned, IMO they still are made out of beer cans. You can yap all you want about quality, American jobs and the like, but they are made from Jap Gov't. subsidized steel that drove the US steel making infrastructure into the Ohio river.

Maybe it's OK for people who don't see how the effect of buying foreign can kill a US region. So, be an Ostrich. I'll be a realist.

Dave.

Keith L · « **Reply #46 on:** May 11, 2007, 02:30:22 AM »

" In the end, you have to make your choices but you don't have to talk bad about other folks choices."

If you have read this thread you will see a litany of "TC is bad, Bergara is good." I responded with a statement of my experience. I try not to buy foreign made stuff anyway, but wouldn't have bothered with this thread except for the continuous hits. Fact is these are not fine Spanish arms, but cheap Spanish barrels. Lets see how things are in a few months and years. Most folks were happy with their Spanish muzzleloaders until they started to self destruct. Like I said before it is to early to declare tham "quality."

manofthe45 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 11, 2007, 10:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Keith L on May 11, 2007, 02:30:22 AM

Like I said before it is to early to declare tham "quality."

Amen

teddy12b · « **Reply #48 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:08:21 AM »

FYI,

If you search "bergara encore" on midway, their barrels will show up and at the time I checked three barrels had reviews done on them. Two were 5 stars and one was 1 star. It's just like anything else, some people like them, and some don't. While I think everyone should make an honest attempt to buy American we should turn a blind eye to foriegn competition.

The other day I needed to buy some clamps for a projects at the house at a small local hardware store that I like to support. I looked at the first clamps, Made In China and I put them back down. I looked at all the rest of them and they were all Made In China. I bought some and I don't feel bad about it at all.

Anywho, I'd like to get a $212 bergara 209x50 barrel for my encore. It's the same setup as the pro hunter but it's a lot less expensive. It's easier to justify a $212 barrel to be used a couple times a year.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #49 on:** May 11, 2007, 12:56:05 PM »

Quote from: teddy12b on May 11, 2007, 11:08:21 AM

Anywho, I'd like to get a $212 bergara 209x50 barrel for my encore. It's the same setup as the pro hunter but it's a lot less expensive. It's easier to justify a $212 barrel to be used a couple times a year.

Ted,

Yeah, I hear ya on that. I really do. The T\C barrel is $100 more. Of course, the custom makers are even more than that. I know I already sound like my grandma yappin about takin off my muddy shoes before I come in the house about this issue, so you can roll your eyes. I understand.

But that $100 does buy you a lifetime warranty on the barrel. It buys you chat time with T\C reps if you have problems with the barrel (do you speak Spanish?), and should you decide to sell, the market value is there. It may or may not be in the Bergara.

And Ted, when you bot that Encore frame, you didn't use that $ for days argument then did ya? Because there are other guns just as accurate and way less costly (NEF) out there.

Dave

teddy12b · « **Reply #50 on:** May 12, 2007, 03:03:39 AM »

When I bought my encore I didn't use the $ for days arguement. I used to have a NEF synthetic 30-06 and it never really fit me well so I upgraded to the encore after I sold my NEF to help pay off the little ladies big ring. My 30-06 barrel I love, and that does everything I can ever ask of that gun. The only other barrel that would be nice for me to have is some kind of a muzzleoader setup but the TC's are $360 for 28" fluted stainless, and $280 for 26" stainless (midsouth prices). The Bergara is $212 for a 28" fluted stainless. I have my TC 30-06 that will do anything I ever need to do with a rifle. The muzzleoader barrel would at best be used two or three times a year.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #51 on:** May 12, 2007, 08:15:05 AM »

Yeah.....well the $360 barrel is the Pro Hunter barrel. It's not "just an Encore barrel". The $280 barrel is "just an Encore Barrel". Now the cost difference is $68. Of course, the barrel is 2" shorter and blued, not stainless...but those points could be argued and rationalized into minutia.

Were it my $ I'd buy the NEF ML. At least if I needed to sell it later, I know there would be a market for it.

Dave

teddy12b · « **Reply #52 on:** May 12, 2007, 08:49:44 AM »

I've watched encore barrels on ebay for some time now hoping to see a real bargain and I never do. There are plenty of barrels out there but no real deals. To me, the pro hunter is just another barrel but it's fluted and 2" longer. You're right about the NEF ML. Those can be had for about $200 or so I think. That's probably the better way to go.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #53 on:** May 12, 2007, 08:54:53 AM »

The blued Sidekick is well below $200.

Dunno why they list it as a firearm, it's not!

Tim

http://rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=SP0056

teddy12b · « **Reply #54 on:** May 12, 2007, 11:05:01 AM »

Quickdtoo,
I'm curious about the R & R Arms website that you posted here. I have never seen them before. Have you used it before? I'm curious about how it works.

nomosendero · « **Reply #55 on:** May 12, 2007, 11:36:35 AM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on May 12, 2007, 08:15:05 AM

Yeah.....well the $360 barrel is the Pro Hunter barrel. It's not "just an Encore barrel". The $280 barrel is "just an Encore Barrel". Now the cost difference is $68. Of course, the barrel is 2" shorter and blued, not stainless...but those points could be argued and rationalized into minutia.

Were it my $ I'd buy the NEF ML. At least if I needed to sell it later, I know there would be a market for it.

Dave

I have heard the Pro Hunter barrel is better than the regular Encore barrel. Is this so & why? Does Green River make the regular tubes & who makes the Pro Hunter barrel.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #56 on:** May 12, 2007, 11:42:41 AM »

Quote from: teddy12b on May 12, 2007, 11:05:01 AM

Quickdtoo,
I'm curious about the R & R Arms website that you posted here. I have never seen them before. Have you used it before? I'm curious about how it works.

Yes, I just got bought a rifle from them, they're a little slow to ship, but other than that, they were good to deal with. Their shipping wasn't bad either, <$17 for the 8lb rifle.

If you buy a firearm from them, have your FFL send/fax them a copy of their license, RR will tie your dealer to your account so you can order firearms online without any delay waiting for the license copy to be sent each time.

I think maybe they have the Sidekick marked as a firearm in error due to its similarity to the Huntsman which was able to be fitted with shotgun barrels, but the Sidekick is a dedicated muzzleloader.

Tim

nomosendero · « **Reply #57 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:12:28 PM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on May 11, 2007, 12:56:05 PM

Quote from: teddy12b on May 11, 2007, 11:08:21 AM

Anywho, I'd like to get a $212 bergara 209x50 barrel for my encore. It's the same setup as the pro hunter but it's a lot less expensive. It's easier to justify a $212 barrel to be used a couple times a year.

Ted,

Yeah, I hear ya on that. I really do. The T\C barrel is $100 more. Of course, the custom makers are even more than that. I know I already sound like my grandma yappin about takin off my muddy shoes before I come in the house about this issue, so you can roll your eyes. I understand.

But that $100 does buy you a lifetime warranty on the barrel. It buys you chat time with T\C reps if you have problems with the barrel (do you speak Spanish?), and should you decide to sell, the market value is there. It may or may not be in the Bergara.

And Ted, when you bot that Encore frame, you didn't use that $ for days argument then did ya? Because there are other guns just as accurate and way less costly (NEF) out there.

Dave

I speak pretty good English despite the fact that I am from AR.

I sent in my MZ barrel & it had a burr where the QLA (worthless) meets the rifling. It is better, but still not good. maybe I should send it in again.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #58 on:** May 12, 2007, 01:52:31 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero on May 12, 2007, 12:12:28 PM

I speak pretty good English despite the fact that I am from AR. I sent in my MZ barrel & it had a burr where the QLA (worthless) meets the rifling. It is better, but still not good. maybe I should send it in again.

Nomosendero---I am a bit unclear on which MZ barrel you have, but if your having an issue with any manufacturer's product, I would send it back until they get it right.

BTW, I missed your earlier post where you ask about who made T\C's Prohunter barrels. I do believe it is T\C. If I'm wrong, someone here will correct me. And your reference to Green River?? Do you mean Green Mountain barrel company? I don't know if there is any connection between T\C and Green Mountain.

Dave

Ahab · « **Reply #59 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:37:31 AM »

I wish Honda would make barrels here in the states.