Goex Blackpowder Cartriage Rounds-45/70

[slayer]

Hello, I ordered a box of Goex Blackpowder 45/70 rounds in 405 gr to try out in my Buffalo Classic. Has anyone tried these yet? What should I expect other than smoke Thanks-Jack.

[Cottonwood]

Hello, I ordered a box of Goex Blackpowder 45/70 rounds in 405 gr to try out in my Buffalo Classic. Has anyone tried these yet? What should I expect other than smoke Thanks-Jack.

For starters, have you ever shot BPC at all... ever?  Have you purchased a blow tube yet?  Do yourself a favor and get either the SPG Primer which you can order from http://www.blackpowderspg.com and or for your free printing and looking at online but you must have ADOBE Reader to see this Introduction to Black Powder Cartridge Loading

You can't possibly get the real feel for BPCR with a box of 20 rounds that are pre-loaded.  Your Buffalo Classic is only 8 pounds from the factory and should have another 2 pounds of lead added as a dead mule to the stock for a good counter ballance.  Add some more questions and I will be back later.

I hope this helps

[slayer]

I appreciate you answers. My plans are to order the Goex pre-loads until I get 100 or so brass and then load my own with a Lee Hand loader to make it more personal. I love muzzleloaders, so I figured, hey BPC to make smoke also I will check your leads and go from there I will keep in touch and thanks a ton-Jack.

[Cottonwood]

Jack

Please also look at Buffalo Arms you will need to get a powder compression plug for your expander die to consistantly compress your BP loads each and every time the same.  My first cast bullets were from a Lee .459-405-HB Mold which shot extremely well in my 2 Buffalo Classics that I used to own.  And if you don't want to cast your own Buffalo Arms has the same bullet pre-cast 20:1 in .458 dia and lubed with SPG.  I like the hollow base 405-gr because it will bump up like it should when touched off by BP.  Also another bullet that shot real well in my Buffalo Classics was the 1881 500-gr design Gov Round Nose bullet, whch can be gotten at Western Bullet Co. that are located in Missoula, Mt.

[slayer]

Cool :)Thanks a ton!! Jack.

[wills]

Will he not have a problem getting consistent compression without some kind of press?  Can he use a compression plug with a Lee Loader?

[Sir Charles deMoutonBlack]

24" drop tube.  mine is a piece of 1/2"copper plumbing mounted on a homemade stand.  A copper reducing fitting at the bottom fits the mouth of a .45-70 perfectly.  A second one is in my shop, attached to the shelving above my loading gear. 

I have many moulds, but an old Lyman 457193, 420 gr. FP, is my favorite.  I also use a 457122 Gould hollowpoint by Lyman, a classic deer bullet.  The powder capacity of either one is about the same, and I've loaded up to 70 grains of Goex 2F under each for a good "express" load.  That was using the drop-tube and a bit of compression when seating, and was LONG SEATED for my Pedersoli Sharps 1874.  Read all about how to determine a proper load for Black.  Its not the same as getting data from a book for smokeless. For targets, I load a bit less of Cartridge grade Goex and make it up with card wads punched by hand with a cut-off belted magnum case.

I agree with the advice to read a lot before getting going.  I know I needed "some" advice & mentoring before I got it even close to right.  Mike Ventunino & Steve Garbe are the two best things to happen to BPCR in about a 100 years! (at least for publicizing reliable technics for a lot of shooters.)

[Redhawk1]

I appreciate you answers. My plans are to order the Goex pre-loads until I get 100 or so brass and then load my own with a Lee Hand loader to make it more personal. I love muzzleloaders, so I figured, hey BPC to make smoke also I will check your leads and go from there I will keep in touch and thanks a ton-Jack.

You may want to get a book on reloading the BPC. It is different than loading for smokeless. I did a lot of reading and book buying before I started loading my 45-70 BPC for my Shiloh Sharps.

I got one book called the paper jacket and I also got MLV's Book.

http://www.ycsi.net/users/mlventurino/
http://www.buffaloarms.com/
http://www.blackpowderspg.com/

This is one of my favorite places and there is a lot of free information.
http://www.ssbpcrc.co.uk/Resources/Introduction%20to%20BPCR%20Loading.pdf

[John Boy]

Montanan, with the H&R 45-70 and 38-55, because the rifle is only in the 8# range, it's best to put some weight in the barrel end - especially shooting offhand.  So, some sheet lead in the forearm does the trick before one beds the barrel

[Lead pot]

You can get good accuracy with very little compression.
The length of the bullet, the twist of your rifling, and the character of the powder your using. And you can get .300 compression with a hand loader, but don't compress the powder using the bullet.
I have used the Lyman 310 tool for some time and it produced very good accurate loads in my old .40-70  and .45-70's.
You can make a 405 grain gullet shoot quite well at a lower velocity and have a stable bullet and with 1F or 2F black with a light .405 grain bullet would make that 8# rifle mild with recoil.
But by all means study manuals and, and use the proper fouling control or you as a new BP shooter will get discouraged fast with the problems that will generate when fouling builds up.
Loading for black powder is not the same as loading for smokeless.
And one more thing you must clean the barrel of all copper fouling if jacketed bullets have been used in it. You dont want to switch back and forth using copper jacket with then go back using BP and cast bullets, that will layer black powder fouling under a coating of copper and then the lead will cote the copper and in time the bore is history.

Kurt

[handirifle]

Montanan, with the H&R 45-70 and 38-55, because the rifle is only in the 8# range, it's best to put some weight in the barrel end - especially shooting offhand.  So, some sheet lead in the forearm does the trick before one beds the barrel

I thought my BC balance very well with 2# of lead in the butt.