Pointed bullets are a passing fad!

[7x57]

I just loaded up some 160 hornady round nose for my swede and after heading to my "range"  I just don't see why any one needs to shoot those ugly pointed bullets!!

Accuracy is too good to believe and it shoots real well out to 250 yards who really shoots further than that on a regular basis anyways?

 Flat tragectory is for Magazine writing nerds who get payed to push product!!!!!!!

You need to see these things penetrate to believe it!!!!!!!
I won't tell you how thick a tree it will go through, for fear you might all dump your current "big-bore  rifles" and flood the market with those powder swilling, noise makers.

This isn't a loaded post, just gospel truth one day early    Good hunting and watch for the major brands to hop on this wagon!!!!!!

[beemanbeme]

I doubt that Hornady, Speer, et al are re-tooling as we speak but since moving to WV, I have been using the 154gr RN Hornady bullet in a 7-08 and a 7x57.  It will flat do a number on a deer.  I've loaded up some Speer 150gr RN bullets for a .300 Savage --I assume they're 30-30 bullets-- that give me a little  over 2600fps.  I've only shot paper with them so far.  I may do some penetration test with them before shooting a deer but I don't think 2600fps would be too fast for a 30-30 bullet.  Or I may take the easy way out and call Speer..     

[7x57]

There it is, you sir, are at the vanguard of the new generation of round bullet only shooters!!!!!!!!!

We have tried the new fangled pointy headed bullets and found them lacking!!!!!  We need to look back once in a while to see that maybe grandpa had it right !!!!!!!

P.S.  I heard that all the Nosler "Custom" ammo for next year will be round, and Weatherby has admitted to the superior flight characteristics of round projectiles and are currently reworking their ammo lines. (Round bullets as you know gently push aside the air resulting in reduced friction; which means they have historically been loaded at lower speeds.  Meanwhile, pointed bullets need to be started at least 300-400fps faster than a round bullet because they have to work harder cutting through the air. The ballistic inferiority of the pointed bullet explains why over the last 50 years the new calibers just keep getting faster and magnum ammo is so expensive.

Pointed bullets are more costly to make and require more powder to hack through the atmosphere, so bullet manufacturers are justified in passing those costs on to the consumer... But, don't take my word for it... Go to your local sporting goods store and compare the prices of regular "good" rounded 30/30 ammo to the newer
"evil" or pointed 30/30 bullets, that need to be started faster, and see the gouging for yourself.     
Then go shoot your deer with a "real" round bullet just as millions of older wiser shooters have for millions of years!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gregory]

I worked up an accurate load for my 7-08 with Sierra 170 gr RN bullets.  They will be my choice if I ever try for black bear with this gun.

[Slamfire]

I was able to shoot 105 grain Speers in my old .244, givin' lie to the gun writers who said the 12" twist wouldn't stabilize the necessary 100 grain bullets for deer huntin'. I ain't believed a single word I read about "MAGNUMS", since. 
That said, I ain't too pleased that Hornady discontinued the round nosed 140 .264s. 

[PeterCartwright]

Amen and amen!  Finally someone who fearlessly proclaims the gospel!  Show me a pointy bullet shooter and I'lll show you a pointy head!  

Silliness aside, I have a soft spot (in addition to the one on my head) for several round nose bullets.  I 'spose they correspond to the kind of woods hunting that's typical here in Michigan's Upper Penninsula.  I shoot Hornady 160 gr. RN's in my 6.5X55, Hornady 180 gr. RN's in my Ruger 77/.30-06, 200 gr. Rem. Core Lockts in my Marlin 336 and, for that matter the normal variety of flat and round nose bullets in several .30-30s.  They're all accurate and I trust them to handle business.

Now for confession:  I've got some favorite pointy bullets too.

[handirifle]

I doubt that Hornady, Speer, et al are re-tooling as we speak but since moving to WV, I have been using the 154gr RN Hornady bullet in a 7-08 and a 7x57.  It will flat do a number on a deer.  I've loaded up some Speer 150gr RN bullets for a .300 Savage --I assume they're 30-30 bullets-- that give me a little  over 2600fps.  I've only shot paper with them so far.  I may do some penetration test with them before shooting a deer but I don't think 2600fps would be too fast for a 30-30 bullet.  Or I may take the easy way out and call Speer..     

I'd venture to guess that 2600 is approaching too much impact velocity for the 30-30 bullets.  Might not go as deep as you expect.  the penetrate well from the 30-30 because thay are coming out a LOT slower, and have slowed even more by 50-100yds later.

I remember reading a long time the famous deer hunters in Maine, the Benuois (sp?) used the 30-06 pump rifle and round nose 180gr bullets.  Some have gone over to bolt guns, but the bullets are the same.

[Don Fischer]

My favorite bullet in an old Ruger 77 was the 154gr Hornady RN. But mostly I shoot pointed bullets, I like the way they look! You might find it intresting that the "standard projectile" had a balistic coefficent of 1. It also had a radis of ogive of 2 calibers, it was a round nose! The only bullet I know of that meets or exceeds the standard projectile is the 750gr 50 cal bullet, it's just over 1.

[Redhawk1]

I just loaded up some 160 hornady round nose for my swede and after heading to my "range"  I just don't see why any one needs to shoot those ugly pointed bullets!!

Accuracy is too good to believe and it shoots real well out to 250 yards who really shoots further than that on a regular basis anyways?

 Flat tragectory is for Magazine writing nerds who get payed to push product!!!!!!!

You need to see these things penetrate to believe it!!!!!!!
I won't tell you how thick a tree it will go through, for fear you might all dump your current "big-bore  rifles" and flood the market with those powder swilling, noise makers.

This isn't a loaded post, just gospel truth one day early    Good hunting and watch for the major brands to hop on this wagon!!!!!!

That is just your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I doubt point bullets are going anywhere.

[countryroads]

7X57,

Well, you've convinced me of the error of my ways!  Unfortunately, I don't have time to reload all of the stuff that I have loaded up, so I just ground the points off of all of the pointy ones.  Some of the little red things didn't grind real well though.  A few popped out and made hollow points out of the rounds.  Maybe I'll use those on woodchucks.

[jro45]

I don't think that Pointed Bullets are going away. I have shot those round nose bullets with my 338 and all the bullets went into one bullet hole and thats a fact.

[7x57]

Those darn pointy bullets are dangerous too.  Everyone isfamiliar with how dangerous they are in the tubular mags of lever guns, but how many of us realize that they can cause problems in bolt guns too!!!

Oh yeah, long time ago while I was taking my Hunter's Ed course, I was shown a variety of guns that had exploded. Sure, one was because the owner had accidentally filled his 300 win mag with pistol powder... and another was due to mud in the barrel.... still another, had been using two rifles and had mistakenly chambered the smaller caliber then jacked in the proper shell on top of it before firing. 

All were terrible accidents (no one was killed in any of these by the way), but in every case the bullets involved were pointed!!!!!  shocking "proof" I know!!!!

Thanks to this insight, I am very cautious whenever I have the misfortune to be hunting with someone who still uses those "Widowmaker's" bullets.

[Drilling Man]

  7x57,

  That was pretty entertaining....      I guess you never heard of these,



  OR read here  http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198

  Anyway, i "use to" shoot a Ruger 77 chambered in 7x57, and yes i was a sinner and used "pointed buiiets", but amazeingly the good lord never punished me, and the bullets worked just fine and filled my freezer....

  BTW, now for the last 20 years or so i've been useing a single shot, and i'm STILL useing pointed bullets!!  I guess they aren't so bad after all....

  DM

[Mac11700]

I like them pointy boolits too...in all calibers...and I like the flat nosed ones as well...Don't have much use for those old round nose boolits...

Mac

[7x57]

Drilling Man,  Those monstrosities very the very thing I was talking about when I said, "Go to your local sporting goods store and compare the prices of regular "good" rounded 30/30 ammo to the newer "evil" or pointed 30/30 bullets, that need to be started faster". 


Mac and company, no doubt you're the secret police, of the ammo makers, out to silence the lone voice of reason, that dares to question the rule of "Premium bullets".

Mark my words, Myself, Nonya, Greybeard, and an army of round bullet shooting sasquatches, will liberate your minds and free you from your dependance on pointy bullets!

Well in truth, the other two and the sasquatch army have yet to be contacted about the coming revolution... But, I sure would like to have those sasquatches in my corner.  I heard they do alot of intensive situational shooting, and are unequalled snipers.

[Mac11700]

Dah...good luck

Well in truth, the other two and the sasquatch army have yet to be contacted about the coming revolution... But, I sure would like to have those sasquatches in my corner.  I heard they do alot of intensive situational shooting, and are unequalled snipers.

If they are sniping using those ole round nose booolits...a guy might have a chance ifin he was fur pice from em....

Mac

[RaySendero]

I just loaded up some 160 hornady round nose for my swede and after heading to my "range"  I just don't see why any one needs to shoot those ugly pointed bullets!!

Accuracy is too good to believe and it shoots real well out to 250 yards who really shoots further than that on a regular basis anyways?

 Flat tragectory is for Magazine writing nerds who get payed to push product!!!!!!!

You need to see these things penetrate to believe it!!!!!!!
I won't tell you how thick a tree it will go through, for fear you might all dump your current "big-bore  rifles" and flood the market with those powder swilling, noise makers.

This isn't a loaded post, just gospel truth one day early    Good hunting and watch for the major brands to hop on this wagon!!!!!!

7x57,
I found the following link regarding bullet performance - Notice how well the old Remington SP (round nose) CoreLokts performed over the entire velocity range from 1,500 to 3,100 fps!!!!!

http://www.seahook.com/bestbullet.jpg

As a result, my plan for an old Arisaka Type 99 in 7.7x58 I'm sporterizing is to shoot the Hornady 174 interlock round nose.  I wish Remington would offer the SP RNs for sale like they do the pointed CoreLokts.

[7x57]

Ray, your post is golden        

 Funny how the bullets with a reputation held up ie: Nosler partion, speer grand slam, Hornady interlock, Remington Cor-lokt, Barnes X,

all did exactly as one might expect. There were alot of surprises in there too like slowing things down results in superior penetration, but 45/70 fans knew that!!!

I was surprised that the winchester 30/06 and 300 win mag bullets were tied all the way to the end of the spectrum. if you shoot that in factory loads, may as well use the 30/06.

Oh, and round bullets still rule!!

[nomosendero]

I have some "roundies"if anyone wants them & I will sell them cheap, the price they are worth or even lower. I have a few boxes
that I have accumalated over the years due to gun trades & stuff, I think they are under a box of Antlers in the outbuilding, Antlers
acquired while useing pointed bullets. To each his own.

[Slamfire]

Well Hornady ain't exactly in a rush to ease my pain, so I'll just continue usin' my smokepole usin' totally round bullets. 

[BUSTER51]

There is a deer in my freezer that would disagree with you .(.243 Winchester supream balistic tip 95 grains at 215 yards)

[Redhawk1]

I can't believe people actually think pointed bullets are just a passing fad. They have been around for many many years and they don't look like there are going anywhere.  Round nose bullets have there place as do pointed bullets and even Premium bullets. Shoot what you want, but before you have another bad dream and post it here, think about it. At first I thought your post was a joke or something like that. 

[S.S.]

Pointy or Round ... Hmmmmm.
In this respect, I have to say that they are kinda'
like a Woman's Chest...   Pointy or Round,
There all GOOOOOD and snuggly to me!!!
I likes em' all !!
Sorry, My mind slipped into the gutter for a moment...
We were talking about bullets, right?

[Casull]

Redhawk, I'm with you on this one.  I thought it was a joke.  How could anyone believe that a blunt roundnose anything will travel through the air easier than a pointed projectile.

[Graybeard]

Ease up guys it IS a joke and not a very well disgused one. BUT nonetheless there is much truth to it. For those who shoot to no more than 250 yards there really is no advantage to pointed bullets and inside 100 there are some very clear advantages to the round nose ones with lots of lead exposed.

[S.S.]

I would offer up a guess that whatever you shot with either of them....
Would never know the difference..

[beemanbeme]

Despite the nay sayers, the crusade goes on.  A friend's wife shoots a .243. (I know, I know but he doesn't let his Mother know) He was complaining about when she shoots a deer, the hunt is just beginning  .  I shined him onto round nosed bullets and he is sure his problems are over. 

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

Pointy bullets and flat trajectories are only for the job of getting the bullet there.

Once the bullet is in the vitals, it's all about deceleration - just the opposite of Ballistic Coefficient.  For that a round nose is hard to beat, 'cept maybe a flat nose or hollow point. 

As for reaching out beyond 100 yards (or 250 in really open country) - that's for the guys who want the gun and ammo to do all the work.  Far as I'm concerned the antlers then belong on the office walls of Hornady, Federal, or Winchester.

[Redhawk1]

Pointy bullets and flat trajectories are only for the job of getting the bullet there.

Once the bullet is in the vitals, it's all about deceleration - just the opposite of Ballistic Coefficient.  For that a round nose is hard to beat, 'cept maybe a flat nose or hollow point. 

As for reaching out beyond 100 yards (or 250 in really open country) - that's for the guys who want the gun and ammo to do all the work.  Far as I'm concerned the antlers then belong on the office walls of Hornady, Federal, or Winchester.

It take more than a gun and ammo to do the work at long distances. It is obvious you may not be able to shoot at longer distances, but some of us can.  Nothing the gun or ammo do, again it is the shooter that has put the time in at the range to achieve the skill to make such shots.

95% of my shot's have been 50 to 150 yards with my longest shot at 300 yards. Now when I was in Alaska and I took my Caribou at 300 yards, Hornady, Federal, or Winchester were not there when I made that shot, it was me, sweat running down my face, 25 degrees and a mile from camp off shooting sticks and my skill of shooting that made that shot.
Oh yea, it was a pointed bullet that did the trick and for that matter it was a Barnes X bullet. 

[Slamfire]

I had to run, uphill, after my last bull. He came by in a forest of antlers, and I didn't see his until he topped the rise. Shootin' when outa breath beats any long range work.