Pointed bullets are a passing fad!

[victorcharlie]

Oh yea, it was a pointed bullet that did the trick and for that matter it was a Barnes X bullet. 

How did I know that?

Bet ya also used a Leupold didn't ya?

Each bullet has it's place.......inside a hundred yards it's hard to beat a rn.........

I practice out to 300 and the pointed bullets just shoot flatter at longer ranges.........

I haven't totally bought into the pointy bullets for my .35 rem......the 200 grain coreloct just works to well.........

[Don Fischer]

I would offer up a guess that whatever you shot with either of them....
Would never know the difference..

That is just a guess, right? I mean there is no factual evidence that we know of is there?

[S.S.]

If have shot Big Game with Round nose and Pointed bullets
and I could tell no difference in how fast they expired from either!
Dead is Dead? The only real test I have done in this area is with a .30-30.
A 150 grain jacket round nose and a 150 grain ballistic-tip were the two
projectiles. Both loaded with the same lot of brass, same batch of powder.
same lot of primers. and both with the same charge of IMR 3031 powder.
Firing from a bench, the Ballistic-tip fired half the size group at 100 meters.
Drop was about the same for both bullet styles.
Without being able to communicate with animals, I really can't tell if they know the difference.
I am not a "Whitetail Whisperer". Now I can communicate pretty well with WHITE TAIL
though, Just not the 4 legged variants.  I have never communicated with BLACK TAIL
But I would bet that I could whisper to it pretty well too !
In the Gutter again !!! OOOps!

[Redhawk1]

Oh yea, it was a pointed bullet that did the trick and for that matter it was a Barnes X bullet. 

How did I know that?

Bet ya also used a Leupold didn't ya?

Each bullet has it's place.......inside a hundred yards it's hard to beat a rn.........

I practice out to 300 and the pointed bullets just shoot flatter at longer ranges.........

I haven't totally bought into the pointy bullets for my .35 rem......the 200 grain coreloct just works to well.........

You guessed that right, I do have a Leupold on that rifle, is there any doubt...

[skb2706]

Pointed bullets are a fad that will pass just like computers, mass tranportation, air conditioning, small data storage devices and a host of other "fads".

[Redhawk1]

Pointed bullets are a fad that will pass just like computers, mass tranportation, air conditioning, small data storage devices and a host of other "fads".

    good one.....

[nomosendero]

I would offer up a guess that whatever you shot with either of them....
Would never know the difference..

That is just a guess, right? I mean there is no factual evidence that we know of is there?

To know the difference would mean that they had at some previous time been shot by the other bullet type & then be able to convey
to us if there was a difference or not. I hope this is not the case because this might mean we are shooting people or animals that talk &
it would mean that with either bullet it must not be enough gun. This means that I am glad that I use enough gun & spitzers as they
don't have time to make comparisons. Which makes just as much sense as this topic.

[canon6]

The only moose I have gotten was hit with a 6.5 ,160gr Hornady RN from a 6.5X55,at approx2200fps.One round very dead,bullet was under the  skin on the off side   Doug

[nomosendero]

Congrats on your Moose. What was the range?

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

95% of my shot's have been 50 to 150 yards with my longest shot at 300 yards. Now when I was in Alaska and I took my Caribou at 300 yards, Hornady, Federal, or Winchester were not there when I made that shot, it was me, sweat running down my face, 25 degrees and a mile from camp off shooting sticks and my skill of shooting that made that shot.
Oh yea, it was a pointed bullet that did the trick and for that matter it was a Barnes X bullet. 

Would you have made the same 300 yard shot with a round nose bullet? 

[Graybeard]

I must admit I find it quite humorous that so many feel the need to shoot at 300 to who knows how far away under the guise of not being able to get closer. Each year folks use their bows to kill every thing the gun hunters do with rifles and in many cases are shooting even nicer trophies. Folks do it with iron sight handguns as well.

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

[dw06]

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

Yep I agree

[nomosendero]

Nothing wrong with doing both, at least I hope not. That's why I bow hunt, handgun, mz, rifle & yes rarely take that dreaded by
many longer shot. And when I do, I use the right bullet for the job, which will NOT be a roundnose. It doesn't make a person a
lesser hunter if he can take advantage of a longer shot because of his skill & having the right equipment while a man without these qualities has to watch the animal walk & that sure doesn't make him a better hunter, now does it? It seems that some think it has to be one way or another, why?

Look's like I will be doing some of my Ozark hunting with a 45-70, blunt bullets & all. But at other times I will be hunting close to the house with my 25-06AI or 280 because the shots sometimes are long. Who cares as long as I use the right tool for the application.

I guess I need to get my gear ready for a bow hunt tomorrow afternoon & I hope I can get a chance at a Buck very close, to me that is quite a rush. To me it is all about being a all-round hunter, if you want to specialize & use a particular weapon, that's cool but
I like it all.

BTW, it appears that this thread is not a joke to some, but I would agree that it should be a joke. It is pretty simple & I would think we all know it. I can use a pointed bullet instead of a roundnose, but in many, many applications I cannot use a roundnose in place
of a pointed bullet.

[firstshot]

I use both but will be hunting with the RN this year.

Dark lines are 1/2", lighter lines are 1/4"


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Make your first shot count!

[Rummer]

I have recently come to appreciate round and flat-nose bullets more.  My longest shot at a deer was a gps checked 147 yards.  That was made with .44 caliber 300 grain bullet with a wide flat nose, and a deep hollow point, at around 1650 fps at the muzzle. 

That being said performance on game isn't really a "pointy vs blunt" debate.

The most common game animal hunted on this continent is deer.  Deer are not hard to kill so there are plenty of right answers.  Often the "right answer" is one of personal choice.  I prefer a softer bullet (big fan of Hornady) at moderate velocity.  I generally avoid premium bullets and prefer rifles of .30 caliber and up.  I like the 200gr Flat Point in the .338-06; the 200 grain spire point in my .35 whelen; and 170 gr round noses in the 8x57.  I like these bullets because they shoot well in those individual rifles, and because they will perform the way I want them to on deer at the ranges I generally shoot them; not because the trajectory or velocity figures look particularly stunning on paper.  The .338-06 load and the .35 whelen load have both been tested on game and work great!  I have yet to use the 8mm on game.  I have every confidence that it will work just fine; and if it doesn't, it isn't because of the bullet style.


Rummer

[Redhawk1]

I must admit I find it quite humorous that so many feel the need to shoot at 300 to who knows how far away under the guise of not being able to get closer. Each year folks use their bows to kill every thing the gun hunters do with rifles and in many cases are shooting even nicer trophies. Folks do it with iron sight handguns as well.

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

I can tell from your answer and post you have never hunted in the Arctic circle in Alaska for Caribou. A bow in the area I went to would only be good for fire wood. There is nothing wrong with my hunting ability, I have taken a bunch of deer with my bow at under 10 yards. Just because someone makes a long shot does not take from ones ability of a hunter. I think you guys make poor analogies of what is hunting. Also before you all blast me, I know there are people that take game in Alaska with bows, but like I said, in the Arctic circle, when you have no trees or cover a bow is useless. The closet we came to any Caribou in 10 days was just over 100 yards. I went there for a nice representative caribou for a trophy, not just to shoot any Caribou. So before you cast any doubt on my hunting ability and make judgement on me shooting at 300 yards,  get to know me as the hunter that I am.

Black Jaque Janaviac, I did not say round nose bullets would not work, I said pointer bullets are not a passing fad, sorry you could not understand that.

[Drilling Man]

I can tell from your answer and post you have never hunted in the Arctic circle in Alaska for Caribou.

  I've hunted above the artic circle many times.... but never along the haul road....  It sounds like that's where you was...

  Anyway, i've crawled on my belly in the tundra to get closer than 300 yards from caribou too, but you'd not get into bow range doing that.  There are dips and some underbrush too, but it's still hard...  Still, i've managed to get closer than 300 yards on many occasions.

  Many of the bow/handgun hunters are shooting on guided hunts, or paid to get a long way back into the bush to find animials they can get so close to, and that's not always possible for those of us who hunt for food...

  Anyway, i see both sides to all of this, as i DO see that guys think they are "cool" because they shoot 4 or 500 + yards away at animials...  You don't have to read long on line to see plenty of that...

  I've made some long shots too, but i don't make a habit of it!

  I took this sheep above the artic circle, and the shot was over 300 yards.  I used a "pointed" bullet, and i guarentee you it wouldn't have mattered how good of a hunter you are, you wouldn't have gotten any closer...

  DM

[Graybeard]

I must admit I find it quite humorous that so many feel the need to shoot at 300 to who knows how far away under the guise of not being able to get closer. Each year folks use their bows to kill every thing the gun hunters do with rifles and in many cases are shooting even nicer trophies. Folks do it with iron sight handguns as well.

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

I can tell from your answer and post you have never hunted in the Arctic circle in Alaska for Caribou. A bow in the area I went to would only be good for fire wood. There is nothing wrong with my hunting ability, I have taken a bunch of deer with my bow at under 10 yards. Just because someone makes a long shot does not take from ones ability of a hunter. I think you guys make poor analogies of what is hunting. Also before you all blast me, I know there are people that take game in Alaska with bows, but like I said, in the Arctic circle, when you have no trees or cover a bow is useless. The closet we came to any Caribou in 10 days was just over 100 yards. I went there for a nice representative caribou for a trophy, not just to shoot any Caribou. So before you cast any doubt on my hunting ability and make judgement on me shooting at 300 yards,  get to know me as the hunter that I am.

Black Jaque Janaviac, I did not say round nose bullets would not work, I said pointer bullets are not a passing fad, sorry you could not understand that.

Ouch, I really wish you hadn't said that. It makes you looks SO FOOLISH.

There is not a game animal on this earth that isn't taken by bow each and every year. Folks who are real hunters do in fact take animals even up there where there is not a tree for 100 miles each year. Often they take the biggest ones even. I suggest you do a bit of research and come back to discuss when you have more information in your arsenal.

Look up Chuck Adams for a beginning.

[Don Fischer]

I must admit I find it quite humorous that so many feel the need to shoot at 300 to who knows how far away under the guise of not being able to get closer. Each year folks use their bows to kill every thing the gun hunters do with rifles and in many cases are shooting even nicer trophies. Folks do it with iron sight handguns as well.

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

I can tell from your answer and post you have never hunted in the Arctic circle in Alaska for Caribou. A bow in the area I went to would only be good for fire wood. There is nothing wrong with my hunting ability, I have taken a bunch of deer with my bow at under 10 yards. Just because someone makes a long shot does not take from ones ability of a hunter. I think you guys make poor analogies of what is hunting. Also before you all blast me, I know there are people that take game in Alaska with bows, but like I said, in the Arctic circle, when you have no trees or cover a bow is useless. The closet we came to any Caribou in 10 days was just over 100 yards. I went there for a nice representative caribou for a trophy, not just to shoot any Caribou. So before you cast any doubt on my hunting ability and make judgement on me shooting at 300 yards,  get to know me as the hunter that I am.

Black Jaque Janaviac, I did not say round nose bullets would not work, I said pointer bullets are not a passing fad, sorry you could not understand that.

Ouch, I really wish you hadn't said that. It makes you looks SO FOOLISH.

There is not a game animal on this earth that isn't taken by bow each and every year. Folks who are real hunters do in fact take animals even up there where there is not a tree for 100 miles each year. Often they take the biggest ones even. I suggest you do a bit of research and come back to discuss when you have more information in your arsenal.

Look up Chuck Adams for a beginning.

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drilling Man,

Did you get that up on the Brooke? Back in the 80's I used to stop there on my way to Prudoe just to watch the sheep, what a sight!

[Don Fischer]

I would offer up a guess that whatever you shot with either of them....
Would never know the difference..

That is just a guess, right? I mean there is no factual evidence that we know of is there?

To know the difference would mean that they had at some previous time been shot by the other bullet type & then be able to convey
to us if there was a difference or not. I hope this is not the case because this might mean we are shooting people or animals that talk &
it would mean that with either bullet it must not be enough gun. This means that I am glad that I use enough gun & spitzers as they
don't have time to make comparisons. Which makes just as much sense as this topic.

It may be possible to get a grant from the federal government to study this in greater detail. I belivev that with a 10 year grant of only 100k per year I could give a very good answer. Then again I might need another grant to do a follow-up to check my figures!

[dukkillr]

Is this conversation still going on?  Seriously?  Look, some people think all advances are negative.  They hate magnums, pointed bullets, adjustable power scopes, running water, and modern medicine.  These people believe that because something has been done one way historically, that way must be the best.  FINE.  They think pointed bullets are a fad?  FINE.  Who cares?  I shoot pointed and round bullets.  Who cares?  What's the difference?  You want to hate pointed bullets?  FINE.  If you think they're a short-term product you're simply wrong, but that too is FINE.

You shoot your bullets, I'll shoot mine.  Why pass judgment on something so stupid?

[T.R.]

My Dad was born in 1922, same year the 300 Savage started knocking over North American big game.  Dad hunted everything Wyoming has to offer the big game hunter with his 300 Savage and those plain 180 grain round nosed soft tips.  Countless elk, mulies, mosse, a couple bighorn sheep, a few bears, and dozens of antelope fell to his rifle. None got away.

I've had equal success with this rather plain jane bullet type.  Out to about 225 yards or so, the pointed bullets offer no true advantage for my lethal .308 rifle.

But way out there past the 250 yard mark, pointed bullet are definately the way to go for success.  My tack driving .243 thrives upon 95 grain Ballistic Tips!
TR

 

[308Win]

I think it has something to do with aerodynamics?If not blunt arrows will be next.

[Redhawk1]

I must admit I find it quite humorous that so many feel the need to shoot at 300 to who knows how far away under the guise of not being able to get closer. Each year folks use their bows to kill every thing the gun hunters do with rifles and in many cases are shooting even nicer trophies. Folks do it with iron sight handguns as well.

I think we need to think more about putting some HUNT in hunting and not so much about the shooting.

I can tell from your answer and post you have never hunted in the Arctic circle in Alaska for Caribou. A bow in the area I went to would only be good for fire wood. There is nothing wrong with my hunting ability, I have taken a bunch of deer with my bow at under 10 yards. Just because someone makes a long shot does not take from ones ability of a hunter. I think you guys make poor analogies of what is hunting. Also before you all blast me, I know there are people that take game in Alaska with bows, but like I said, in the Arctic circle, when you have no trees or cover a bow is useless. The closet we came to any Caribou in 10 days was just over 100 yards. I went there for a nice representative caribou for a trophy, not just to shoot any Caribou. So before you cast any doubt on my hunting ability and make judgement on me shooting at 300 yards,  get to know me as the hunter that I am.

Black Jaque Janaviac, I did not say round nose bullets would not work, I said pointer bullets are not a passing fad, sorry you could not understand that.

Ouch, I really wish you hadn't said that. It makes you looks SO FOOLISH.

There is not a game animal on this earth that isn't taken by bow each and every year. Folks who are real hunters do in fact take animals even up there where there is not a tree for 100 miles each year. Often they take the biggest ones even. I suggest you do a bit of research and come back to discuss when you have more information in your arsenal.

Look up Chuck Adams for a beginning.

Graybeard, I did not say Caribou were not taken with a bow, hell I could go in area's that give a bowhunter a good chance at an animal. Frankly I could care less about Chuck Adams, I only care about my personal successes. I don't think I look foolish in the least, you may want to take a long look in the mirror before you cast stones.

Let me see, I have been up in the Arctic circle hunting and was unable to get closer than 100 yards in the 10 days I was there, but I really did not try that hard to get that close. But also something you miss about my hunt it was a self guided hunt and we had to get on the correct area where the Caribou migrate. You can set up in one area and the Caribou would show up 2 miles away. Like I said if you have not done a Caribou hunt into the Arctic circle you may not know all of the obstacle's you will encounter, such as rivers, mud bogs, and tussocks. A Caribou walking can cover more distance faster then a world class runner could in the same amount of time.

What I think is foolish is what people here think about other hunter just because they choose a long shot. I don't have to prove my hunting ability to you or anyone else. My hunting success in on the walls of my home. I have taken game from 5 yards to 300 yards. Is my 300 yard trophy any less than one I took at 5 yards??  NO........

[Redhawk1]

I should know bettered than to get suckered into a conversation with such grand hunters, no matter who you talk to, there way is always the best and they know someone who has done it better. The irony about the whole thing is, I am a hunter, trying to convince someone else of my abilities. Man I need to just sit back and listen to all you experienced hunters, maybe one day I will be as good as you. 

[308Win]

Redhawk1,You tell it like it is and it's good having you here!!

[victorcharlie]

I Man I need to just sit back and listen to all you experienced hunters, maybe one day I will be as good as you. 

Listening is something we all should work to  be better at.

You fellows need to lighten up a bit.......as your providing a bit to much entertainment.

Greybeard, your going to get promoted to Redhawks child if you don't watch out!

That's a status only a few of us acheive!

[308Win]

VC,How would you enjoy permanent latrine duty?Caption Redhawk can write a duffelbag of article 15s best knock it off trooper.

[beemanbeme]

And another thread that was started in light hearted humor is stuffed down the toilet by a couple of no-sense-of-humor types.  (is this where I pound on my chest and roar???)

[308Win]

beemanbeme Whatever flops your mop do it to it.