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Offline Flinter987

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Scope Mounting
« on: September 30, 2006, 04:10:16 PM »
Hello,
I am sorry if this has been asked before. I looked and couldn't find anything right off.
I've got a synthetic stocked 30-06 handi rifle. At first we just tried tightening the scope ring screws.
The scope slid forward on me. Then I tried putting a little loctite on each screw. The scope slid forward  after approximately 20 shots. Should I have tried tightening the screws as I shot? What should I do now to make sure the scope stays put? Thank-You for your time.

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2006, 04:35:54 PM »
Put some lockitght in the bottom half of each ring.  Larry
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 05:17:56 PM »
Blue loctite works as Larry said, I've also used a piece of wet/dry sand paper cut to fit the bottom rings just as the friction paper is used in Burris rings.

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 05:19:04 PM »
I am a little confused about your problem.  If your scope is sliding back and forth after you tighten your scope ring screws there is something wrong with either your scope or the rings.

Like Tim mentioned, you might need to use some type of shim material.




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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 11:40:11 PM »
  Tim;
   Grit side toward the rings or toward the scope ?
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2006, 12:46:10 AM »
If you have good rings and a clean American or name brand scope, I am unsure why you are having problems.

 What brand of scope and who's scope rings are you using? Pictures of the issue would also help.

As far as Locktite is concerned, using it is a NO-NO on rings. Its just not needed or desired. Those screws can be hard enough to remove with out lock tite. Use the stuff on the bases that's for sure. I have mounted thousands of scopes and NEVER locktited the rings. NEVER had reason to. I have and use two rings of very heavy recoiling calibers. HEAVY loaded Browning & Ruger #1 single shots and CZ Magnum bolt in 375H&H. Never move is hundreds and hundreds of rounds. The only scope problem I have had was with a hand gun. A contender in 357 Herrett. It sheared the fact screws...TWICE. But even then the scope didn't move with in the rings!!

Be sure the rings and scope is clean and dry, NO OIL PRESENT. Lets back track to the base, remove it, clean the screws and holes with a good solvent. Be sure NO OIL IS REMAINING. I like to be sure the base is lying flat and contacting as much of the barrel as possible. So I use a piece of emery paper, wrapped around the barrel where the base will mount. Hold it there while you put the base on and rub it back and fourth over the emery paper. this will knock down the high spots and true the base to the barrel. Once you are satisfied, clean everything again. Apply a drop of locktite to the threads of each screw and tighten VERY LIGHTLY. After all screws are in and snug, go back and torque all to the same tightness. Alternate tightening front to back until all are tight.

Now mount the rings to the base. Be sure this is tight and true. I also lap the rings. This is done with a hard piece of steel and valve lapping compound. I tighten the rings around the 1" steel as if it was the scope and lap. Most people do not have this available to them, so for the sake of argument, lets ship this part.

With your rings mounted to the base and the tops removed. Set your scope in the rings in the approximate position. Add the ring caps and tighten screws. Its likely too late for this as this is a remount, BUT when ever you get new rings do not mix up the parts. Some manufactures actually FIT the ring bases to the tops. So as a rule of thumb, don't mix the tops. Again do not tighten ANY ONE SCREW before they are ALL snug. Even then do so in a criss-cross pattern until very tight.

 You should now have a scope mounted in such a way that it will not move. Yes there are friction tapes and talc you could use to aid in preventing scope movement. but With out exaggeration the thousands I have mounted none have come back wit the complaint of them moving.

 Post up with some more info like brand of the parts involved and pics too would help.

 Good luck,
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2006, 04:40:49 AM »

I am wondering, do you have a 1 inch scope set in a set of 30mm rings? That is one reason I could see them sliding around like that.

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2006, 04:43:07 AM »
Tim;
 Grit side toward the rings or toward the scope ?

600 grit towards the scope. ;)

The loctite is used in the bottom ring, not on the ring screws.

Tim
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2006, 05:39:01 AM »
Not to discount CW's experience, but I learned these tricks from my shootin partner who worked in a mom and pop gun shop for 11yrs. Another trick is to use black electrical tape in the rings, cut it to fit and stuck to the rings it's hard to see and helps protect the scope from ring marks and prevents movement, sort of a poor man's Burris Signature insert!! ;D

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 07:58:04 AM »
Not to discount CW's experience, but I learned these tricks from my shootin partner who worked in a mom and pop gun shop for 11yrs. Another trick is to use black electrical tape in the rings, cut it to fit and stuck to the rings it's hard to see and helps protect the scope from ring marks and prevents movement, sort of a poor man's Burris Signature insert!! ;D

Tim

 TIM TIM TIM...
  I was going to mention the electric tape...but said to my self...don't even go there! My god, If a rifle of mine came from a shoppe with electric tape on the mounting I would FLIP!!! Its not electrical!!!  PLEASE STEP AWAY from the electric tape!!  ::) :o :o Kidding aside, this is very hack way to do this.

 30mm rings wouldn't be even close.

 Flinter post up with some more info or better yet pics and we'll all be able to better diagnose your scope problems.

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2006, 08:15:16 AM »
CW, it's right up there with bed liner on a stock, just another option! ;)

Tim
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 09:17:49 AM »
Opinions....I suppose....

But if you have ever had to remount a scope after someone had put electric tape on it you too would do your best to rid the world of the idea that electric tape is good for mounting scopes!! :o :o :'(

 BTW....Everyone seems to LIKE the bed liner idea!!!  So there :P :P

 ;D ;) :D  Its all good, just having fun.

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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2006, 10:10:15 AM »
CW, the tape doesn't go on the scope, it goes in the rings, just as Burris friction paper is used.  I wouldn't like tape on my scope either, but I like ring marks even less!! That's why I use Burris Signature Zee rings almost exclusively. ;) But I have on occaison used the tape in rings like Weaver and Millett that I got on used rifles, to protect a scope so I could utilize the rings instead of selling or tossing them.

Tim
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2006, 02:27:40 PM »
  Thanks Quick...I was wondering about the electrical tape also..

  Appreciate CW's imput also...
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Re: Scope Mounting
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2006, 11:56:49 AM »
Hello again,
I am sorry for taking so long to reply. I have been pretty busy lately.
Thank-you for all the replies. I took the gun to a friend and it appears that the cheap walmart
rings were the culprit. I think they were Simmons, but I am not sure about that. The screws were tight, but it just couldn't hold it. We put some better rings on it and now the scope is not moving.
Thanks again,
Fred