Author Topic: Afgani Opium Production Increases (Read 1866 times)

TM7 · « **on:** October 01, 2006, 02:47:02 AM »

MMMmmmmmm.....opium production back to normal, actually way up....
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060921&articleId=3294
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marylandeer · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2006, 06:26:23 AM »

It's time to break out the NAPOM and fry that garbadge before they harvest it.

magooch · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2006, 02:21:05 AM »

Good plan.

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2006, 08:04:14 AM »

OMG!!! The Afghan war is a fialure!!! SEEEEEE Bush IS NO GOOD!!!

ironglow · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:03:18 PM »

Sure seems that by now science could have cultivated a disease that would wipe out those poppy fields..

308Win · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2006, 09:19:49 AM »

The NEWS at the time we invaded Afghanistan is that we would put an end to it.What a joke!!Knowing Opium is the only cash crop the Afghans have.

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2006, 09:29:25 AM »

TMZ, Its all DISINFORMATION!!! Its the BAF/AAW crowd all over as usuall. Look and see who it is and what is thier motivation whenever this kind of "mess" comes out.

BAF/AAW? Blame America First/America is Always Wrong.....

WmRoy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2006, 12:24:21 PM »

Quote from: Echo4Lima on October 06, 2006, 09:29:25 AM

TMZ, Its all DISINFORMATION!!! Its the BAF/AAW crowd all over as usuall. Look and see who it is and what is thier motivation whenever this kind of "mess" comes out.

BAF/AAW? Blame America First/America is Always Wrong.....

What TMZ is trying to make Pres. Bush look bad.............. say it ain't so...............

More liberal BS I'm afraid...................

Syncerus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2006, 12:27:24 PM »

The only way to make the problem go away is to take the money out of it.

No money == No problem.

Everything else is spinning our wheels.

WmRoy · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2006, 03:52:13 PM »

TM7,

I learned a long time ago not to give a 'rats' as to what you think................

Funny how to me it's always YOU preaching the HATE..............

Oh, the UN certainly doesn't want to paint the Bush administration with a negative brush, give me a break!!

How often do you post anything good about the war on Terrorism?

Last time I checked we hadn't had anymore attacks here in the states?

So whatever is going on overseas, at least it's staying over there...........

And I have a feeling most of the folks in Afganistan don't really want the Taliban back in charge.....

And I'm skeptical of your 'fact' that the Taliban stopped the opium trade..... last I checked that trade had been going full speed for MANY Centuries........

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2006, 05:40:27 PM »

If i had to live in Afghanistan on 15$ a year I'd grow poppies too.

308Win · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2006, 03:23:50 AM »

Quote from: dukkillr on October 06, 2006, 05:40:27 PM

If i had to live in Afghanistan on 15$ a year I'd grow poppies too.

That's telling it like it is 10-4!!

dukkillr · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2006, 06:55:24 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on October 07, 2006, 02:26:02 PM

Quote from: dukkillr on October 06, 2006, 05:40:27 PM
If i had to live in Afghanistan on 15$ a year I'd grow poppies too.

Sadly, that may be true, but Afghanistan imports most of its foodstuffs. What the they need is more agriculture and animal husbandry, and we need less drugs on the streets [so do they btw]. And i see that the trans-Afghanistan pipeline contract with an Argentinian construction company as been canceled, btw.

............TM7

Sadly, my quote was meant to show two things:

1) things are never as simple as the simplistic answer supposes. For instance the "let's napalm their fields" answer doesn't provide a real answer because it doesn't solve the underlying problem, namely that they are amazingly poor and poppy plants are the highest profit plants.
2) there are several things more important to a developing country than what substance someone chooses to put in their body. Take it from a guy on the public defender list, I know the problems drugs cause. But understand, it's a low priority in a country where a minority have things like running water and electricity.

308Win · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »

Apples $3.00 a pound,a pound of Opium priceless.

magooch · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2006, 03:41:56 AM »

The real culprits in this issue are not those who grow poppies, rather it is the people who consume the drugs. I've thought for a long time that the best way to discourage people from using illicit drugs is to flood the market with cheap drugs that are poisoned.

To begin with, if we're lucky, a lot of users would be wiped out and those who survive might give up the habit for fear of getting a bad dose.

I know, I know, this is a heartless, thoughtless rant that is inhumane and inconsiderate of human suffering. Ain't it great?

308Win · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:15:19 AM »

Quote from: magooch on October 09, 2006, 03:41:56 AM

The real culprits in this issue are not those who grow poppies, rather it is the people who consume the drugs. I've thought for a long time that the best way to discourage people from using illicit drugs is to flood the market with cheap drugs that are poisoned.

To begin with, if we're lucky, a lot of users would be wiped out and those who survive might give up the habit for fear of getting a bad dose.

I know, I know, this is a heartless, thoughtless rant that is inhumane and inconsiderate of human suffering. Ain't it great?

China concord the drug problem overnight=caught with drugs off comes head and it worked.

Syncerus · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2006, 06:39:51 AM »

Actually, the central question is this: does one have the right to commit suicide? If one does, then why should the gov't get involved when someone wants to kill himself? The simple truth is this: drug MONEY fuels violence, theft and crime. When you take the MONEY out of the equation, the violence, the theft and the crime goes away. The whole Prohibition saga proves the dynamic pretty conclusively.

Push the price of drugs down to $2.00 per helping and all the rest of the problems go away.

My philosophy is pretty simple: let's punish the guilty and not the innocent.

308Win · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2006, 06:59:39 AM »

Quote from: Syncerus on October 09, 2006, 06:39:51 AM

Actually, the central question is this: does one have the right to commit suicide? If one does, then why should the gov't get involved when someone wants to kill himself? The simple truth is this: drug MONEY fuels violence, theft and crime. When you take the MONEY out of the equation, the violence, the theft and the crime goes away. The whole Prohibition saga proves the dynamic pretty conclusively.

Push the price of drugs down to $2.00 per helping and all the rest of the problems go away.

My philosophy is pretty simple: let's punish the guilty and not the innocent.

Yes we could do that with whiskey beer and wine them being vastly over priced.

magooch · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2006, 03:44:26 AM »

Easy and lawful access to drugs has been tried (e.g. Switzerland) and it flat doesn't work. Yes, eventually the users die off, but not fast enough to not become an intolerable burden on the rest of society.

Syncerus · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:15:17 AM »

Could you provide references to the Swiss experiment please?

Thanks

308Win · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:34:27 AM »

If I remember isn't our Government giving junkies methadone to support their habit?

dukkillr · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2006, 05:44:56 AM »

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Could you provide references to the Swiss experiment please?

Thanks

Can I second that request? I've been to switzerland, I don't remember drugs being available at all.

Syncerus · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2006, 06:12:48 AM »

I lived in Switzerland as a teenager in the late 70's and Geneva, at least, was awash in drugs. They were imported by the UN people from the Third World in sealed diplomatic pouches. They were paid very little and Geneva was very expensive. The solution was to bring in low volume, high value drugs, hash and coke were plentiful; I don't know about the opiates. From what I saw, drug use was primarily by foreigners as the Swiss just didn't have the cash to blow; or they might not have been interested.

All that said, it was a very upscale thing and I saw or heard of no colonies of addicts, etc.

The assertion of a failed Swiss experiment contradicts everything I know about the dynamics of the drug trade; therefore, I'd like to scrutinize the evidence directly.

Syncerus · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:03:43 AM »

No update?

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** October 14, 2006, 03:48:17 AM »

Magooch has the idea..

Keep prosecuting the pushers, but start punishing the buyer..take the market away.

Make announcements for a full year ahead, that drugs on the street will be laced with poison...offer rehab services..then proceed with the program..
Perhaps only a small; amount of interdicted dope being "doctored" would cause many to seek honest relief.

On the surface,. it sounds cruel..but at least the completely innocent are not dying..

It has come to the point that either the drug-head dies or the drug-head kills some innocent person in a robbery, holdup or home invasion..etc..

Couple this with the fact that drugs, especially hard drugs.. are fueling terrorism and all the civilians/troops killed by terrorists...such drug "customers" have the blood of fellow Americans on their hands..

So; it is time to be pragmatic..do we protect the drug-heads..or do we protect decent Americans ?

Syncerus says that the drug usage in Switzerland is an "upscale" thing...I have often wondered just how some folks that are supposed to be so bright...can be so STUPID !!

magooch · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2006, 04:23:07 AM »

It's been a number of years ago, but there was a documentary on TV that told how a park in one Swiss city (don't remember which city) was designated as a place where the druggies could go do their thing. The idea was that at least the rest of society wouldn't have to put up with the mess. Well, it didn't work, because it wasn't long before people got completely sickened of having to deal with all the overdosed, dead druggies piling up in the park.

If that isn't enougn update for ya--who cares. My question to anyone who does care is do you really want to live in, raise a family in, or even be around a society that permits the free and unrestricted use of mind altering substances? If you do, then I suggest you haven't seen, or been around such crap.

Matt · « **Reply #26 on:** October 18, 2006, 09:11:11 PM »

First off those of you who have stated to poison the drugs, you are conspiring to mass murder and I am now having to seriously evaluate this issue. Secondly before we go diving off the deep end why not get a little better informed.

First in January of 2001 the Taliban destroyed all the afghani poppy crops as a revolt against the US. The US heroin market went into a frenzy and out of it came the wide spread use of methamphetamines. After the US ousted the Taliban the poppy crops were replanted and now have no restrictions. Do a little research and you will find that the production or poppy has vastly increased now that the Taliban are no longer in power as this was used as a leverage by the Taliban against the US.

Now as to social experiments with legal drugs lets look at a place that really did an experiment the Netherlands and let’s see what the US government has to say about it.

“The Dutch Opium Act punishes possession, commercial distribution, production, import, and export of all illicit drugs. Drug use, however, is not an offense. The act distinguishes between "hard" drugs that have "unacceptable" risks (e.g., heroin, cocaine, Ecstasy) and "soft" drugs (cannabis products). One of the main aims of this policy is to separate the markets for soft and hard drugs so that soft drug users are less likely to come into contact with hard drugs. The sale of a small quantity (under five grams) of soft drugs in "coffeeshops" is tolerated, albeit under strict conditions and controls. The United States continues to disagree with this aspect of Dutch drug policy. Overall, the Health Ministry coordinates drug policy, while the Ministry of Justice is responsible for law enforcement. Matters relating to local government and the police are the responsibility of the Ministry of Interior. At the municipal level, policy is coordinated in tripartite consultations among the mayor, the chief public prosecutor, and the police.
The Netherlands has a wide variety of demand-reduction and "harm"-reduction programs reaching about 80% of the country’s 26,000-30,000 opiate addicts. The number of opiate addicts has stabilized over the past few years, with the average age rising to 40, and the number of overdose deaths related to opiates stabilizing at between 30 and 50 per year. “
Does not sound like it is failing to me but some people want what they want and will do or say anything to get it. Oh well such is life I guess.

Folks we have alcohol which in spite of what anyone says is just as mind altering as most drugs I have ever tried and yet it is legal and big business to say the least. More people are killed every year due to alcohol related traffic fatalities than drug related deaths all together.

TM7 one day people will wake but that day will be to late…

Matt

Matt · « **Reply #27 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:31:21 PM »

yep...

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #28 on:** October 20, 2006, 05:48:46 PM »

I hear and read daily about how this is not good or that is not good, this was done wrong or not done as well. It seems to be a daily deluge from the left. Of course there are Republicans that voice those same thoughts at times and they are alway pointed out with a "see, see, he/she agrees".

The frustrating thing for me is that a LOT of the negative things that are said and parroted are motivated by some agenda. Casualty stats, was there wasnt there weapons, etc., etc. are put out there to divide and therefore empower the agenda. The problem for me is that these things not only offer a chance at empowerment, they also provide something that I dont think is really meant to happen.

Gen. Tommy Franks, in his Bio., states that "Hope is not an option"... What he means is that you dont send a platoon over a hill and "Hope" for the best. But HOPE is a tactic. How? Lets use the example of Viet Nam. The continual protest of the war here in America provided HOPE for the North Vietnamese. They "hoped" if they held out long enough, they would win. History tells us what that "hope" did for them.

I see history repeating itself with Iraq. The continual barage of critisim against it from senoir Govt. people and the press provide hope to the enemy. Osama Bin Laden recognized that. This daily barrage provides hope to the enemy. Look at what they are doing now. Can it work again? Osama thinks so.

Critisim of an administration IS NOT UN-American. However, constant critisim CAN be ANTI-American.

The other day I directed my frustration with this at TM7. I have been warned.....

Matt · « **Reply #29 on:** October 20, 2006, 06:23:16 PM »

I am curious, how many people actually read the posts made on topics they oppose? I think more people read what others that share the same mindsetas them posts and then from that continue to elaborate on what ever point their like minded counterpart tried to make.

And I think I know why…

Matt